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Nov 21, 2015 16:09 |  #1

Well the title says where I'm coming from - I liked them before but now I just don't :(

There are a couple of problems, firstly I'm lazy - I really like the pop in a pod and let it do its thing (I online game so like to just press the button and grab it when its done), so no frothers or manual faffing... I like hot chocolates and chai lattes, so that could be restuctive.

So my options....

1) Give up on coffee at home
2) Go for Dolce Gusto (automatic) - it should do it all in theory
3) Go for Nespresso and look to compatible pods.

Now as I understand it (not being an expert at all), with Nespresso the initial machines can be quite expensive (as I'd need the Lattissma range to do the milk for me), but afterwards the coffees much cheaper (23p per drink vs around 50p on the Tassimo), and theres a £75 voucher thing going on - although I have seen a used Lattissma EN860 pretty cheaply but am a little wary as its used...

That said the Golce Gusto seem pretty much what I'm used to.

I have to say I'm tempted with the Nespresso but £210 (link) is a big whack to fork out, but then the Dolce Gusto at £75 (link) is so much cheaper....

What are your thoughts\findings if you've compared.



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Nov 22, 2015 00:43 |  #2

I feel your pain John.

Explain to your wife/partner exactly how you like your coffee and have them make it, takes all the difficult decisions away and leaves you free for gaming. :lol:


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Nov 22, 2015 03:18 as a reply to  @ GibJock's post |  #3

lol, its a plan :)



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Nov 22, 2015 06:29 |  #4

Have you thought about Keurig or Flavia?




  
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Nov 22, 2015 10:55 |  #5

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Well the title says where I'm coming from - I liked them before but now I just don't :(

There are a couple of problems, firstly I'm lazy - I really like the pop in a pod and let it do its thing (I online game so like to just press the button and grab it when its done), so no frothers or manual faffing... I like hot chocolates and chai lattes, so that could be restuctive.

So my options....

1) Give up on coffee at home
2) Go for Dolce Gusto (automatic) - it should do it all in theory
3) Go for Nespresso and look to compatible pods.

Now as I understand it (not being an expert at all), with Nespresso the initial machines can be quite expensive (as I'd need the Lattissma range to do the milk for me), but afterwards the coffees much cheaper (23p per drink vs around 50p on the Tassimo), and theres a £75 voucher thing going on - although I have seen a used Lattissma EN860 pretty cheaply but am a little wary as its used...

That said the Golce Gusto seem pretty much what I'm used to.

I have to say I'm tempted with the Nespresso but £210 (link) is a big whack to fork out, but then the Dolce Gusto at £75 (link) is so much cheaper....

What are your thoughts\findings if you've compared.

What's wrong with a real coffee/espresso machine?
And if it has to be quicker or simpler, use a single cup caffetière - which is what I use at home.

=> All these "pods" are either glorified instant coffee and even if they contain real coffee, still have a horrible economic footprint over a coffee grinder with a dedicated cafetière/coffee/espre​sso machine. The grind is most important to coffee, but so is water, pressure, etc. - it is as much art as it is science.
Plus, if you want a really good coffee, you should try different independent cafés - in Leeds, UK, La Bottega Milanese (in the Light) makes the best coffee in Leeds.

And just a comment: If your online games don't give you time to make some coffee, then I would rethink that gaming - it sounds more like an addiction. Either pause the game or alternatively spend less time at once on it.


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Nov 22, 2015 11:45 as a reply to  @ DetlevCM's post |  #6

lol, thanks for the addiction advice - I do appreciate it, but its I'm on with real life friends and don't want to hold them up while I make a coffee, not so much an addiction as being considerate.

I don't fancy all the messing about with separate mixing etc that I've seen on the YouTube guides to making coffee properly - to me its a nice drink to have while doing something else, not the end result if you get what I mean.

I'll try La Bottega Milanese next time I'm over there - thanks for the tip.

BTW I think once I've settled in that I'll use a reusable pod and instant grounds - partly doing my bit, partly being tight!



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Nov 22, 2015 12:11 as a reply to  @ DGStinner's post |  #7

I was only aware of them on the very periphery - thanks for the idea but I just picked up a Nespresso Lattissima I'd been eyeing up on eBay for £75 delivered.

I'd best not look too hard now ;)



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Nov 22, 2015 12:13 |  #8

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lol, thanks for the addiction advice - I do appreciate it, but its I'm on with real life friends and don't want to hold them up while I make a coffee, not so much an addiction as being considerate.

I don't fancy all the messing about with separate mixing etc that I've seen on the YouTube guides to making coffee properly - to me its a nice drink to have while doing something else, not the end result if you get what I mean.

I'll try La Bottega Milanese next time I'm over there - thanks for the tip.

BTW I think once I've settled in that I'll use a reusable pod and instant grounds - partly doing my bit, partly being tight!

Well, for really quick coffee making I would just keep a caffetière and water handy - I sort of started to always heat the milk in the microwave, so it takes pretty much 1 minute. (40-50s in the Microwave for the milk - in the meantime the water boils & I arrange the ground coffee/rinse out the caffetière.)
I suspect in the case of actively doing something in between I would make the coffee during the breaks - plus, how many cups can one drink in one go? (Well, one can drink a lot - not ideal though...)

If you are desperate for only the result, I would possibly suggest some kind of fully automatic coffee machine - they start around 200-300 pounds, BUT a recommendation I once received was to spend at least 1000 pounds if I get a proper espresso machine.
The number one advantage of the good high end stuff is repairability - the cheaper ones either work or don't, if they do work, they will be near impossible to repair.
If you do buy an espresso machine, avoid these so called "crema nozzles" - also described as pressurized baskets. We do have a very cheap espresso machine at home - it produced froth... well, I drilled out the hole in the basket (made it bigger) and it stopped frothing and produces something akin to coffee - but I get a better cup out of a caffetière.

Towards the second half/end of my PhD in Leeds I went to La Bottega daily :D - once on my way to University and then around lunch time. (The coffee is worth it, my recommendation is a "Guest Latte Macchiato" - their guest espressos change and are often lighter, sometimes quite fruity, but their "house blend" is excellent too - being a Latte Macchiato with nice milk froth on top, not mixed with the crema from the espresso, the coffee tastes a lot milder than a "conventional latte" despite containing the same amount of milk and coffee.)


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Nov 22, 2015 12:45 as a reply to  @ DetlevCM's post |  #9

Damn you know you're stuff.

I guess hobbies are all the same - I was reading the part where you say start round 200-300, but really want to drop a grand and I thought, yep I've heard that before - so many times when talking about cameras (but scaled up to 2000-3000 ;))



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Damn you know you're stuff.

I guess hobbies are all the same - I was reading the part where you say start round 200-300, but really want to drop a grand and I thought, yep I've heard that before - so many times when talking about cameras (but scaled up to 2000-3000 ;))

Na, I'm just pedantic at times and tend to research what I buy - I'd rather not buying something cheap and wait until I can afford the proper stuff rather than buy twice.
I can also be a bit snobbish at times - and coffee is one of those points.

On the other hand, if I just want a quick drinkable coffee with no a priori knowledge, there is little than can go wrong with coffee (although sometimes it may have a faintly stale taste if the branch pre-grinds the coffee beans...)
If I am in a place with time to pick I can spend time to find some good coffee :).

There tend to be two major problems with espresso based coffee when you buy it:
1) a sauer/sour coffee with an acidic taste (not quite sure what exactly causes that)
2) a bitter coffee - generally cause by burnt beans (looking at you Starbucks...)

I would generally say you can get the best coffee in independent cafés - I think it was Store Street Espresso in London (not far from the British Museum) where I had a nice Piccolo (it was more frothy than La Bottega - but both are good in their own ways, neither is inherently better, however my sample size for London is 1 while for Leeds it is "many" :D).

If you want a reliable coffee from a chain, Costa tends to produce the most consistent good results. Café Nero is also good and varies, some are better than others.
Starbucks is only a good choice is you want a sugar overdose (White Moccha is equivalent to nibbling on sugar :D - good when you are very tired) or when it is the only suitable choice due to location. (But I am guilty of getting coffee from Starbucks too...)

Other chains like Café Grand and the "railways chains" tend to fall somewhere into the middle.

From what I have gathered, the most important aspect of any coffee is apparently the grind - this is then followed by the machine with regards to temperature, pressure - and every water is different.
La Bottega for example had a lot of time to perfect their coffee - in fact it took them a little time to perfect it when they had to replace a grinder.


As to spending money on coffee:
This returns to the problem at the start - we have a crappy little espresso machine at home, but the caffetière will always make better coffee - and costs less to use (buy once, just wash plus coffee as running cost).
Some people swear by an aeropress - I have had aeropress coffee at La Bottega in the past and its nice, BUT its more work plus it needs filters, my caffetière costs less in the long run, if you use a metal filter/sieve with an aeropress, you get the same result it just takes more time... - I stick to the caffetière.
Mokka cookers/"Espresso cookers" or whatever you want to call these little pots are also a nice choice - BUT its is too easy to get a sauer coffee from that, plus I have never figured out what the correct coffee grind is... some say not too fine because it blocks the filter, others say espresso fine... oh, and they are impossible to use on a gas cooker (unless you have a camping stove) as they are too small for the smallest hob - but can also produce a good/great coffee at an affordable price.

And yes, many things can become expensive, but with the right choices you only need to buy once (and maybe pay for the odd unfortunate) repair.
I also really like Beyerdynamic headphones - DT990 Pro for home use and at the University I used T50p - but you buy them once and that's it :D - if they break or if a part breaks, you buy spares or have them repaired.

I guess cameras are the same... started with a 400D - then got a 5D MK II with a 24-70 to start in 2010 - I got a 100mm macro only in early spring 2014 (?).
Unless it is something that is truly limited, just take your time getting the things you want.

And just because I mentioned snobbish - did I say that I prefer to write with a fountainpen? On the plus side, it is the same one since Spring 2007 - A level notes, A level exams, university notes, university exams, then phd notes - same pen :D.
(Makes me think, it was a good choice, I went through a few fountainpens in my school time in Germany...)
As a little extra - it is really funny, but a flat nib as opposed to a ball nib can give you nicer handwriting, on the downside, it isn't as forgiving when scribbling quick notes, I'm speaking from experience here. Once for the fun of it, during my A-levels I switched pens between pages - it was funny how my handwriting was neater with the flattened nib... (Though I don't handwrite enough nowadays and my notes are real scribbles, well, as long as I can read them... ;))

And heck, if people asked me to write a dream list... oh, I'm sure I could write a long one :D - for example I'd love to have my own cluster with some quantum chemistry software, unfortunately, not something I will be able to afford in any time-scale of the foreseeable future... (The software is 10000$ for a site license unless one goes open source, but the interface for the one I like would be worth every penny of that price.)


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Nov 22, 2015 14:07 |  #11

Ah and also the possibly worst coffee in Leeds unless it has changed since 2013/2014 - the Student Union at the University of Leeds.
Their coffee beans are horribly burnt - when I inquired, they were aware of it, but nothing improved... I don't know if they finally sorted out the problem.. (made Starbucks look gently roasted in comparison....)

Another tip: If you are ever in doubt about coffee quality, talk to the local Italians, they will often be a good judge.


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Nov 22, 2015 14:26 |  #12

Thats one hell of a write up, don't take this the wrong way but I can't decide if that level of knowledge is either brilliant or scary - either way great for study.



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Nov 22, 2015 14:56 |  #13

John_N wrote in post #17793010 (external link)
Thats one hell of a write up, don't take this the wrong way but I can't decide if that level of knowledge is either brilliant or scary - either way great for study.

Well, it just depends of what you make of it ;).
It turns out though that the answer is rather simple - the broader your knowledge/interest, the shallower it gets and while some may manage more than others, someone who specialises in a topic will always be more knowledgeable in that topic - so no need to be afraid as long as you can enjoy the comfort of having your own specialisation.
(I'm sure you are better at your favourite game than I would be at it were I to pick it up - then again, I just consider games light entertainment, you lose some, you win some.)

The other aspect is that you possibly don't end up doing other things - I don't "go out" in a classical sense and working through Mechanics problems for an A level exam was a nice occupation during new years eve back on 2007/2008.
On fact, speaking of shallow knowledge - I did observe maths BSc and my PhD turned out to be very much chemistry (fun little story, I did a chemistry a level and the teacher once said those who do a level chemistry tend to study it, hmm looks like I came back to it...) - but any chemist would be better suited for the job quite simply because they wouldn't have more appropriate a priori knowledge.
Ever heard of ortho meta para directing? Well, before early 2013 me neither...
(refers to enhanced reactivity on aromatic species due to attached molecule groups - interestingly apparently an a level topic...) - A chemist knows that theory exists a mathematical does not - and a chemist might have suggested sooner that it won't be a relevant effect (which was the result of a barrage of Gaussian work).

Incidentally, the advances in science mean that it is becoming inherently more difficult to produce any further advances as well as obtaining a proper overview over the topic - so to stick with my topic of aviation fuel, 40 years ago, those who worked on it would have been under then illusion they could work it out - today you can assemble a team of analysis specialist and they won't be able to tell you what exactly is contained in your fuel (the major constituents are no problem, the trace species are though - plus, how to do the major species interact? Chemistry is "wonderfully" messy I'm that A reacts with B and C in pattern X when tested individually but A with B and C together behaves completely different...).

So rest peacefully there ;).

And before I go on babbling for too long l, let me finish with a famous last line from Socrates: "I know that I know nothing at all."


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Nov 22, 2015 15:04 |  #14

There is also an advantage of properly researching you purchases/decisions - you won't be disappointed because you know exactly what you will get.

And just to show you that I don't know everything ;) - here is a problem I have been unable to find any answers to...
https://forums.opensus​e.org …-88SE9128-(9123-)-Chipset (external link)
(though it seems nobody else has any ideas either - 70 views, no response and no response on Unix Stack exchange either so far...)


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Nov 22, 2015 15:05 |  #15

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..let me finish with a famous last line from Socrates: "I know that I know nothing at all."

A great quote, all the better for being possibly made more famous for being quoted in Bill and Ted :D



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