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Nov 30, 2015 14:44 |  #1

I guess it's just me, but I find the twist lock tripods to be a total PITA all the time - they get gritty with dirt and sand. It takes forever compared to the quick clamps to set up or tear it down and the worst is when I think I have it tight and set it down and discover one of the NINE twist locks just isn't tight enough and slipping.

I want a great travel tripod - carbon fiber, ball head, arca swiss compatible, MUST be quick clamp, and hold a 5D MKIII and 70-200 IS lens. I'll be shooting landscapes, waterfalls, and some long exposure milky way/star trail shots. The only one I've found is this:

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Nov 30, 2015 14:53 |  #2

Apparently I have MANFROTTO 055MF4 (magnesium), MANFROTTO 496 Compact Ballhead, with MARKINS QR-48S clamp for my travel 'pod. Very strong, but maybe not light enough for some.

I used to always buy Gitzo tripods and studio stands, but during my hiatus, I sold them all to a friend. At least I have visiting rights. (And my Sinar system!)

If I had to buy a travel one, I'd look at RRS as well. There are many good options I'm sure people know about here.


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Nov 30, 2015 15:26 |  #3

Well i haven't found it to be an issue then again i rarely use my tripods in water or on the beach.. :-(

Sirui makes a CF tripod with flip locks, Sirui EN-2204 (external link) add to that the K20X (external link) ballhead and you have a very light setup.


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Nov 30, 2015 17:10 |  #4

Having had tripods with Flip locks (quick clamps) I now ONLY use tripods with twist locks. My two Manfrottos (190 &055) could be pushed down by hand when locked, my Gitzos (lighter and smaller than the 055) cannot be pushed down with my entire body weight, except for my 1 series traveller which takes both hands and a LOT of effort.
I agree twist locks are more difficult to clean but having only needed to clean mine twice (out of 4 tripods - 2 have yet to need a clean) in over 8 years it is not too much of a chore and my Manfrottos needed at least some of their flip locks cleaned after every visit to the beach.

If you "want a great travel tripod" then you are looking at RRS and Gizo = twist locks only.


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Dec 02, 2015 07:17 |  #5

I thought I would not like twist locks either, but Gitzo convinced me otherwise. I have zero problems. If I use it in water, I take it apart and clean it afterwards. The design is extremely simple so putting it back together isn't a problem. I have a first generation 6x carbon fiber, the 3530.

Like John, I had an older Bogen/Manfrotto with lever locks and I had to frequently tighten the locks with tools. I could also push them down with a bit of weight. I cannot do that with the Gitzo. The lever locks also got snagged by brush all too often.

My Z1 ballhead on the other hand uses a RRS lever quick release clamp... the B2-LR-II. It is a solid clamp that self-adjusts to various widths of plate (within some tolerance). I have plates from more than one maker and none can be budged once clamped. The end of the lever fits under a lens or camera and is very unlikely to get caught on anything.


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Dec 02, 2015 09:54 |  #6

I have used both twist lock and quick clamps. Both have worked well for me. My biggest problem was that with quick clamps catching on weeds and brush when walking off a path. That's really the only complaint I have about either.


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Dec 02, 2015 11:34 |  #7

even quick clamps get dirty from the beach, and they occasionally snag on stuff, which is really annoying. If the clamps got loose on the field, game over unless you have tools handy. My bogen clamps ran into occasional problems, and had to replace a few of the lock caps. No such issue with twist stuff.

my biggest gripe with twist is not having an indicator to show that it's locked. the clamps, you can visually inspect to see that they are locked, not so with the twist.


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Dec 02, 2015 11:54 |  #8

Heya,

I too like quick-clamps over twists. I move a lot, and I deal with water and beaches a lot.

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Dec 02, 2015 12:06 |  #9

Charlie wrote in post #17804624 (external link)
even quick clamps get dirty from the beach, and they occasionally snag on stuff, which is really annoying. If the clamps got loose on the field, game over unless you have tools handy. My bogen clamps ran into occasional problems, and had to replace a few of the lock caps. No such issue with twist stuff.

my biggest gripe with twist is not having an indicator to show that it's locked. the clamps, you can visually inspect to see that they are locked, not so with the twist.

Get a silver Sharpie, and put some index marks on the parts of the twist lock, like shown here. Not aligned by even a small amount (upper lock) is loosened, aligned (lower lock) is tight, visible even when you're standing tall and not bent over

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I have a mark on the center column lock, and a couple on the ballhead that are similar...the twisting part to left of fixed part = loose; aligned (or to the right) = locked (mnemomic, 'Right is right!")

As for twist locks being PITA, is dependent upon implementation. I had Bogen/Manfrotto for decades, and much preferred its ease and time of setup over the Gitzos I tried back in the 1980s. I owned a Bogen 3221, loved the lever locks and hated the twist lock on the contemporary Gitzos back then! Fast forward 20 years and Gitzo adds ALR and G-lock design in the mid/late 2000s. Via POTN, myself and someone else engage in a 'shoot out' in set up and break down times for my Bogen vs his new Gitzo... time of setup and takedown was a virtual draw.
Saving 3 pounds was becoming a need, not a luxury, for my body as it continues thru 'middle age' and progressing toward eventual senior citizen status. The Gitzo is well worth the expense, and I am reminded of that whenever I pick it up! I prefer 3 leg segments, because travel length is not an issue for me, and I hate the 50% extra time to fidget with 3 additional leg sections to extend, and then later to collapse.
The metal Bogen sections extended out simply with gravity, due to their mass; I wish the Gitzo CF had sufficient mass and even lower friction to permit sections to extend out on their own, but the setup time is nevertheless like my old Bogen 3221 time in spite of that manual intervention needed to pull out the legs (rather than using gravity).

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Dec 02, 2015 12:48 as a reply to  @ Wilt's post |  #10

thanks for the pro tip. I saw your tripod strap in another thread..... AMAZING. I used it on a trip, and it was so darn practical. I will look into the sharpie trick, looks like it may work. My only concern is that if alignment changes over time, or if I have to remove totally for cleaning, will it line up again? Either way, I like the idea, and will definitely try it.

and yes, it's important to specify what type of twist locks. Newer stuff is typically anti rotating, and those are a pleasure to work with. Another nicety are quarter turn locks. Some cheaper twist locks require more turning than others, and can loosen up. The newer gitzo types have the G-lock, and pretty sure my newer feisol has the equivalent.

I've gone through the lightweight phase already, the feisol is extremely light for what it is, however, I think the very best is the RRS TVC-24. Small, light, stupidly sturdy, like series 3 systematic sturdy.


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Dec 26, 2015 00:19 as a reply to  @ Wilt's post |  #11

Great idea on marking the the twist locks locked position. I just went and marked mine. Thanks!




  
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Dec 28, 2015 10:50 |  #12

Charlie wrote in post #17804745 (external link)
thanks for the pro tip. I saw your tripod strap in another thread..... AMAZING. I used it on a trip, and it was so darn practical. I will look into the sharpie trick, looks like it may work. My only concern is that if alignment changes over time, or if I have to remove totally for cleaning, will it line up again? Either way, I like the idea, and will definitely try it.

a bit of zippo fluid or nail polish remover on a rag should take the paint right off - then you just add another mark.


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Jan 17, 2016 14:01 |  #13

I suppose there's good and bad twist locks and clamps. I bought a tripod yesterday with really nice twist locks - great to use and easy to disassemble if required.

A friend showed me a monopod with much worse twist locks... PITA indeed! Maybe they need a proper cleaning. I've used cheap twist locks and they were a trouble to use. They didn't lock very well and it took a while to set up the tripod.


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Jan 25, 2016 18:08 |  #14

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I guess it's just me, but I find the twist lock tripods to be a total PITA all the time - they get gritty with dirt and sand. It takes forever compared to the quick clamps to set up or tear it down.........

It's not just you. I hate the twist locks, too.

I don't mind the fact that they get grit and dirt in them - it's not a bother to clean them out. But what bothers me is that it takes SO DARN LONG to get them loosened, adjusted, and tightened back up again. I mean it literally takes me around 15 seconds to do this, and that's when I'm in a frantic rush! If an animal turns his head to look a certain direction for a few seconds, and that makes me want to shoot it from a different height, there is simply no way I can get all three legs re-adjusted and clamped down solid again before the critter turns its head back. Or if an animal is walking and I want to quickly adjust the height of my tripod before it takes another two or three steps, there is no way to do so, while with clamp locks I could do the whole procedure in about half the time.

The problem is that I don't know of any ultra-high-end carbon fiber tripod capable of solidly supporting huge heavy lenses that doesn't have the stupid twist locks. So what's a guy to do?

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Jan 25, 2016 18:46 |  #15

That's interesting; I find exactly the opposite, especially when trying to manipulate the tripod with gloves on. The twist locks, for me, are MUCH faster to adjust as they don't require nearly the mechanical travel to loosen, adjust and resecure. As another user posted, none of the clamp locks I've had have solidly secured the legs when clamped either; a decent amount of downward pressure would still cause them to slowly continue to collapse. It's been one of the things I enjoy about the higher end tripods.

@Tom: What 'style' of tripod do you use/prefer? Center column, or direct mount to the legs? I would *think* someone offered the option, at least. Can help do a search <shrug>


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