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Sig150-600S vs 300F4@600 vs 100-400II@560

 
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Dec 29, 2015 01:21 |  #1

Updated with more testing. Added to bottom of this post.

Surprisingly close!
Sigma 150-600 Sports vs EF300 F4L IS with Sigma APO 2x TC vs EF100-400II with EF 1.4xTC III.

Multiple shots taken with 1DS2, 1/500 sec / f8.
Refocused for each shot but found very good AF consistency for all 3 lenses.

Full frame then a 100% crop.
I'd give Sigma 1st place, maybe expected as it was the only lens stopped down and only lens used without TC.
Relevant IMHO as purpose of test was to find the best option for around 600mm ( Edit: and only results at 600mm ) without taking a huge financial leap to a super tele.

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More testing. This time using a "proper" test chart, indoors.
Canon 100-400II with 1.4TCIII and Sigma 150-600 S.
Distance to chart 8 metres. 1D4 ISO400 f8 1/180 sec.
Live view focus, IS and OS off, beanbag and remote shutter.
Lit by 85W CFL.
RAW converted to JPG in DPP4.

100% crops:

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Dec 29, 2015 09:42 |  #2

The sig is right up there with the canon zooms


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Dec 29, 2015 10:09 |  #3

How did you find each rig compared weight/hand holdability-wise?


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Dec 29, 2015 17:06 |  #4

Hrm,

Neat examples. Especially noting that 300mm with a TC & 400mm with TC (unfortunately only working on a 1D/7D2 at F8 in center point for AF; not options for anything else other than manual focus).

Comparing some near $2k lenses, going for 600mm.

I would be interested to see them compared to a 300 F2.8L non-IS ($2k) with a TC. Keeps AF at F5.6.
And compared to a Sigma 120-300 F2.8 OS ($2k) with a TC. Keeps AF at F5.6.

There are affordable super teles. :)

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Dec 29, 2015 18:04 |  #5

nqjudo wrote in post #17836102 (external link)
How did you find each rig compared weight/hand holdability-wise?

The Sigma is 3kg so is the big loser in that comparison. (300 F4 is 1.2kg, 100-400 is 1.6kg).
I find the Sigma difficult to handhold for the type of photography I do most, birds and wildlife.
Common that once I find a subject I frame and focus, take a shot or two but then wait for a better pose.
It's the waiting for a better pose stage where the weight becomes a problem.


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Dec 29, 2015 18:17 |  #6

MalVeauX wrote in post #17836653 (external link)
Hrm,

Neat examples. Especially noting that 300mm with a TC & 400mm with TC (unfortunately only working on a 1D/7D2 at F8 in center point for AF; not options for anything else other than manual focus).

Comparing some near $2k lenses, going for 600mm.

I would be interested to see them compared to a 300 F2.8L non-IS ($2k) with a TC. Keeps AF at F5.6.
And compared to a Sigma 120-300 F2.8 OS ($2k) with a TC. Keeps AF at F5.6.

There are affordable super teles. :)

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I'd be interested in doing the Sigma 120-300 comparison also. If the 600mm f5.6 configuration is pleasing the 420 f4 would be even better obviously and a significant advantage.


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Dec 29, 2015 18:35 |  #7

Choderboy wrote in post #17836714 (external link)
The Sigma is 3kg so is the big loser in that comparison. (300 F4 is 1.2kg, 100-400 is 1.6kg).
I find the Sigma difficult to handhold for the type of photography I do most, birds and wildlife.
Common that once I find a subject I frame and focus, take a shot or two but then wait for a better pose.
It's the waiting for a better pose stage where the weight becomes a problem.

Thanks. Appreciate the reply. I had ordered the contemporary version which is lighter but it arrived damaged and I opted for a refund instead of an exchange. I always get second thoughts when I see these comparisons. Some damned good IQ going on for that price.


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Dec 30, 2015 07:58 |  #8

Thanks for doing this comparison, Dave. I have always wondered if a Sigma 150-600 would perform significantly better than my 100-400L II + TC, and this shows there is not enough difference to worry about in my case. I only need the TC occasionally, and really like the portability of the Canon over the larger / heavier Sigma. I suppose if I was using the TC on the 100-400L all the time the Sigma would be worth considering for the more flexible AF options, but just for occasional use I can live with center point only.


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Dec 30, 2015 21:02 as a reply to  @ Choderboy's post |  #9

A couple of months ago I had the opportunity to try out the Sigma 150-600 Sports, I quite liked it. The one thing that stood out to me was the ease of hand holding it at 600mm, the balance was just right. True it is not light but I found it more stable (hand held) than the similar weight Canon 500 F4 Mk2 or my Canon 300 F2.8 and 800mm F5.6. So much so that indoor shots at 1/160 sec were nice and sharp even with my wobbles. Note the first thing I did was to turn off the OS, I didn't want that mucking things up!
It was not the lens for me - but a very nice piece of kit especially for the money.
Thanks for posting the comparisons.
P.S. The Canon 300 F4 L IS would have done better with the Canon 2 x Mk3 extender - but that jacks up the price quite a bit!


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Dec 30, 2015 21:46 |  #10

the sigma 150-600 sport is a wonderful lens, it is heavy but you get used to it in no time, i've gotten sharp shot shooting 1/80 @600mm out in the field before and i am pretty average size dude

and the lens is sharp at 600mm wide open for sure, not the sharpest lens you'll see but still very sharp

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Dec 31, 2015 22:39 |  #11

I really like the build of the Sigma 150-600 S.

Some of the things I like:

Overall seems very solid. It should for 3kg but weight does not always mean solid build.

The hood, aluminium, secures well with a simple but reliable knurled thumb screw. Seems to be superior to the Canon super tele hood securing method.
You don't get a lens cap, rather a lens cover. It is secured with Velcro and has a cutout for the knurled hood securing screw.

Detents in the tripod ring, 4 of them to allow fast orientation at every 90 degrees rotation.

The tripod ring, while not removeable, has a large foot. The foot is secured with 4 beefy screws. The 'bolt pattern' of those screws (and the screw size) matches the Canon 400 2.8. This means various third party replacement feet designed for the 400 2.8 fit the Sigma. The Sigma foot has 3 x 1/4 inch threaded inserts. These provide 3 different balance points for mounting a plate or direct to a tripod. I used all 3 just for some 'over engineering' to secure a universal arca swiss compatible plate I had.
The tripod ring also has 2 strap mounts.

Both the focus ring and zoom ring are smooth and have a quality feel in their movement.

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Dec 31, 2015 22:48 |  #12

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A couple of months ago I had the opportunity to try out the Sigma 150-600 Sports, I quite liked it. The one thing that stood out to me was the ease of hand holding it at 600mm, the balance was just right. True it is not light but I found it more stable (hand held) than the similar weight Canon 500 F4 Mk2 or my Canon 300 F2.8 and 800mm F5.6. So much so that indoor shots at 1/160 sec were nice and sharp even with my wobbles. Note the first thing I did was to turn off the OS, I didn't want that mucking things up!
It was not the lens for me - but a very nice piece of kit especially for the money.
Thanks for posting the comparisons.
P.S. The Canon 300 F4 L IS would have done better with the Canon 2 x Mk3 extender - but that jacks up the price quite a bit!

I will probably buy a Mk3 2xTC fairly soon and will be doing some comparisons with the Sigma 2xTC.
The results with the 300 F4 and Sigma 2xTC are the biggest surprise to me, I have also been using it with Canon 1.4xTC and I rate it much higher than I previously would have thought I would.


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Jan 01, 2016 15:53 as a reply to  @ Choderboy's post |  #13

2 x extenders are always a bit iffy on anything less than an F2.8 lens but they can work and get you images that would otherwise be unobtainable.
A friend of mine has got more than usable images with his Canon 2 x Mk3 on a 1D4 and 600 F4 L IS in very good and contrasty light, unfortunately my 800 F5.6 L IS doesn't seem to like extenders - I will have to do some more research!


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Jan 01, 2016 16:08 |  #14

Interesting for sure but is it really a far comparison of the lenses generally?

I appreciate that you're looking at various options around the 600mm mark but this pits a bare Sigma against the Canon prime and zoom with extenders. Of course the Canons need extenders to reach 600mm (or close) but you should also consider that, when shooting up to 400mm, the Canon won't need the extender and will then out-perform the Sigma, at least according to reviews & tests I've read. The prime is obviously more limiting still but, if 300mm does the job, then it'll offer the best quality of all three.

It's a perfect demonstration of the principle that there's no "best" lens and it depends on what you shoot. If you regularly shoot between 400 and 600mm then the Sigma is a very strong contender if not the obvious choice. If you shoot a lot between 100 and 400 and only occasionally need to go longer then the 100-400 makes more sense.


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Jan 01, 2016 19:50 |  #15

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Interesting for sure but is it really a far comparison of the lenses generally?

I appreciate that you're looking at various options around the 600mm mark but this pits a bare Sigma against the Canon prime and zoom with extenders. Of course the Canons need extenders to reach 600mm (or close) but you should also consider that, when shooting up to 400mm, the Canon won't need the extender and will then out-perform the Sigma, at least according to reviews & tests I've read. The prime is obviously more limiting still but, if 300mm does the job, then it'll offer the best quality of all three.

It's a perfect demonstration of the principle that there's no "best" lens and it depends on what you shoot. If you regularly shoot between 400 and 600mm then the Sigma is a very strong contender if not the obvious choice. If you shoot a lot between 100 and 400 and only occasionally need to go longer then the 100-400 makes more sense.

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I don't see how it can be unfair. If I owned a non existent Sigma 300 or 400 prime I would also include it in the test with a TC. Particularly as I own the three lenses, It would be stupid of me not to at least do some comparisons. When I do get a 2X MKIII TC I will retest. I doubt the 300F4 with MKIII will beat the Sigma, but if it does, or comes close enough to call it a draw, will you consider that to be fair?


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