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Dec 29, 2015 10:29 |  #1

While I think my photo's are "ok" it seems family and friends "love" my photos, and with that has come a lot of favors. It seems as lately I am being asked for senior, family, and xmas card photos. ALL of these are totally out of my comfort zone, and I don't feel I do the families worthy with my pictures. But they all seem to like them (but they could be being nice).

I am totally uncomfortable, and nervous doing them, but I might as well embrace it, learn from it, and get better. That is why I would like some advice on things to look for and improve for future reference. Thanks a ton!

Time to embrace the suck...

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Dec 29, 2015 10:52 |  #2

You have some obvious skill. It's good that you're not full of yourself, but no need to be quite so self-deprecating :)

I can definitely see why they like your work.


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Dec 29, 2015 11:24 |  #3

Generally, they look OK, except that this one has nice skin tones. Why don't the others? ; )


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Dec 29, 2015 11:27 |  #4
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You obviously have the talent to make your subjects more comfortable in front of the camera than you are behind it. Run with that. You're doing fine.

I am also my harshest critic. My wife has framed and displayed shots I would have deleted. We have come to the agreement that when culling duds, I go first. She only looks at my rejects. If she rejects them (usually OOF & accidental shots of my shoes), they go. Any of my rejects that she says are keepers, are keepers. I don't argue. Disk space is cheap. She is priceless. Our home, our family's homes, and FaceBook are festooned with my photos. I'm guessing I would have rejected 30% of them.




  
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Dec 29, 2015 11:42 |  #5

Not exactly in the same vain but a similar story. I was playing around with a lens at the dog park. My dog (Jack Russell mix) was chasing/being chased and I was taking photos of this. Not trying super hard as I was just testing how fast a 50mm would AF and track. Snapped a pic of my dog "attacking" another dog. Bad overall photo, OOF, poorly composed, bad CA, i was about to send photo into the ether when my wife saw the picture and LOVED IT! I explained all the technical reasons it was a bad photo. She replied (essentially) "I like the picture, print one for me please". It now sits on the buffet along with many other pics.

The point?

Sometimes we are hardest on ourselves. If the "client" likes the pics then great. Take your own critique and try to do better.

One exercise which has helped me is to list SPECIFIC reasons you don't like a photo AND what would have made it better. Use one of your posted pics, for example: SPECIFICALLY what is undesirable? You are not allowed to say, "the composition sucked", or "no contrast", etc. It must be "I don't like the way her left arm is posed", "the lamp growing out of their head is bad", "I didn't check shutter speed and it was too slow, so the photo is soft"

Just saying "I suck" and "I want to get better" does no good. One needs specific actionable feedback to work with. Give it a try.


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Dec 29, 2015 11:47 |  #6

Thanks all. I realize the great thing about photography is that it's all subjective. It's funny how you look at your photos, and then someone else's and you see things totally different. I do believe we (ME) are our own worst critics, which is a good thing I suppose. I also understand that I could go get a reflector, a passport, some lights with fancy umbrella's and stands... My photos would probably be 10x better, but thats just not me, nor do I currently have interest in that right now...

HOWEVER, I will probably print this post out and save it as in 2 years I be doing ALL of what I said I have no interest in doing :)!


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Dec 29, 2015 12:07 |  #7

Good work, especially in controlling foreground and background, and knowing when to push the big button. As mentioned above, no need for serious self-deprecation.

There's a rather dramatic difference across these pix, the lighting is varying quite a bit in its effects.

In #1, the cheek shadow on camera right is too much for my taste. The image would be improved with some fill light. This could come from a reflector, or could be an on-camera flash with a small soft box. The flash would be dialed down significantly just to fill the shadows a bit. In this use, if the primary lighting is incandescent or "warm white", you sometimes need a (warm) color correction filter on the flash so it's the same color temp as the primary lighting.

This is also a shadow that might respond really well to some fine local correction in LR or PS.

#2 seems a bit too warm to me - she looks a little orange-ey. And her tiara doesn't look white...

#3 is mostly excellent; but do you know why, and how you would bring that excellence to more of your shots?
Lighting - a nice, contemporary soft look. Shadows on camera right are gradual, soft-edged, and just dense enough.
Geometrics of the background, softness of the background, she has a nice "pop" and dimensionality here. It's got depth, that's important in rendering a 3d world in a flat 2d photo.
Expression - that's a good hit on the button, and/or good directing.

One thing that would improve these 3 pix is so-called "catch lights" in the eyes. As portraits, a little gleam can bring a lot of life to the eyes. An on-camera flash dialed way down can help here, too. Again, it will also tend to fill shadows in deeper eye sockets.

#4 and 5 - I'd ask her/them to step further away from the background.

#5 - her eyes are gone. It's a nice pose... IMO something needs to change here. Her expression - eyes not so narrowed, or, closer shot with more fill. Color looks a bit cold.

In summary, in your place I'd be focusing next on understanding the principles of portrait lighting. You'll often see this referred to as "3-point" lighting. IMO it's not so important to use this particular technique, but studying the effects of key, fill, back, background, hard, and soft light sources will help you to see existing light and how it is creating the image. Sometimes moving the camera a couple feet to the right or left will drastically change the effects of existing light.

Some people will stop right there, since an understanding of what existing light can do is so helpful. Others will want to work with modifiers (reflectors & flags), and with one or more sources to supplement or replace existing light.

For what it's worth. If it's fun.


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Dec 29, 2015 12:34 |  #8

#6 is outstanding. Great facial expression, good lighting, use of leading lines...all that technical stuff.

Can't wait to see your work once you get "comfortable".

Hint - Don't ever get "comfortable" :-)




  
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Dec 29, 2015 12:38 |  #9

I think you did a great job. If anything it appears that you aren't really out of your comfort zone with people in front of your lens but more what to do with them in post. You've done a lot of different processing styles here and some work better than others. I'm sure you'll get more comfortable with that in time. Thanks for sharing.


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Dec 29, 2015 13:02 |  #10

I really like #3 and #6.

#1 is my least favorite. The background is too busy and the posing is odd.


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Dec 29, 2015 15:35 |  #11

The exif shows that these were all shot with the WB set to Auto. If you're shooting in RAW, the WB should be fairly easy to correct and if you're not shooting in RAW, I highly recommend it.

I think the first image needs to be cropped to eliminate as much of the white objects directly above their heads as possible. Since it's the brightest part of the image it draws your eye right to it. I think the image could be brightened a little, especially the girl's face on the right side of the image.

Setting the WB to incandescent would have helped remove the orange tint in the second image. If you shot in RAW, you can still make that adjustment. Other than that, it's a very nice portrait of a pretty, young lady.

The third image is very nice and my favorite.

Since the background has such a large expanse of unbroken boards, I'd have moved them to a part that would not have the break in the boards directly above the young girls head in the fourth image. Breaks in patterns usually draw your viewers' eye and in this case, it's a distraction that could have been avoided.

I believe the fifth image should have been shot or cropped to allow the young lady to dominate more of the image. While negative space can often be attractive, I don't think it works for this image. Her face also looks too bright. I don't know if you processed it this way, but IMHO, it's just too white/bright.

I like the last image, but the break in the boards is directly over her head and I find that distracting.

You have some skills that work very nicely for taking portraits and if you are going to “embrace it”, I suggest you start by getting a flash. You may be able to shoot indoors by jacking up your ISO and using a fast lens set to an open aperture, but you can't control the quality of the light. A flash/strobe can allow you to control the quantity and quality of light and should be part of your arsenal. A flash is also a very handy tool when shooting outdoors and it's uses are not restricted to just portraits.


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Jan 04, 2016 10:43 |  #12

Well, I guess I'll be off from others and be unkind [as always].

Parents and friends liking something has no value - tough stuff, but it's just like this.

While they are ok images, they mainly go through only because of shallow depth of field your lens is giving and them nice colours of MK2. They are unconsistent and consistency is the key point for actually selling your work. Well, many does sell without it, but if you want to be good, it's the battle you have to win. The WB is all over the place, different tints and Clarity moved way down on one occasion [to save an image] and way up on the other [without any reason at all].

The first two are also bad in WB field. While it can pass as "artsy filter" in the second one, first image has no such excuse.

You have a great gear, but don't forget, that post processing also has a great deal of importance.

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Jan 04, 2016 12:43 |  #13

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Well, I guess I'll be off from others and be unkind [as always].

The first two are also bad in WB field. While it can pass as "artsy filter" in the second one, first image has no such excuse.

Serious question...How is white balance off in OP's 1st photo? Looks pretty good to me, maybe a pinch too warm?


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Jan 04, 2016 13:20 |  #14

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Serious question...How is white balance off in OP's 1st photo? Looks pretty good to me, maybe a pinch too warm?

Compare the skin tones in the first three. Which one looks "right" to you?


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Jan 04, 2016 14:08 as a reply to  @ Nukehed's post |  #15

It has a tint to it [ranges of it you get even just by shooting on high ISO's].
/don't be fooled by blown lamps - that's not white, that's zero /if you, just in case, did that :)

look: quick color balance layer [-4/+2/+5] and just a slight curve mask on girls makes a nice difference :]

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