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Canon 5D: Shooting LOW to ground?

 
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Dec 30, 2015 22:38 |  #1

Been trying to shoot from a lower perspective recently - sometimes a straight-angled shot, other times angled up. It's hard to compose AND ensure horizontal alignment, as I may also not be able to lie down on the ground or anything. Liveview obviously helps... but still difficult. And when I have the level on screen, I also have TONS of other stuff on screen and it's hard to even see what's on it.

Any tips/techniques or accessories that make this sort of shooting much easier?

Obviously the 5D doesn't have a tilting/flip-out LCD... :(


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Dec 30, 2015 23:00 |  #2

Heya,

I'm a weirdo and shoot my 5D laying on the ground all the time. I'm one of those people that when a photo op comes up, I'm one of the first people hitting the ground. I try to remove "the ground" as a "background" that you most commonly see in photographs day to day due to the angle of view from shooting higher to lower, etc. So I'm accustomed to having dirty pants, rough elbows, and shooting weird angles with my head nearly on the ground. And I do not have Live View.

I find that when I shoot, I don't just look where my focus point is, I just know where my focus point should be and put it in the general vicinity and let depth of field take care of the rest (even when I'm shooting at F1.4). Also, I'm very often using manual focus, not autofocus, as I am much faster and better able to compose freely and focus as I wish with a manual lens and not feel compeled to put a focus point on my subject and focus/recompose, or move the focus point which takes time. I'm just faster manually. I really like the flexibility I get from that. When I do however use AF on my 5D, I'm generally just putting my focus point where my subject mostly is and again letting DOF doing the work while I compose with my peripheral vision. I'm working on 13MP, so I have less cropping room, so I try to get my angles very close to right and I do it pretty well just using peripheral vision instead of only locking my eye on the focus point on the subject and only seeing just that. I scan the whole frame, I more often don't even look right at the subject, as I know they'll be in focus most likely, so I can just see a look or moment I want to attempt to capture and just squeeze off a shot, I don't plan on being able to react to a specific smile, and then capture it--never works for candid. But preemptively taking a shot when I think a look or something is about to happen works. I try to practice predictive shooting when it comes to people; and specifically, I practice all the time on my 2 year old daughter and her 5 year old cousin.

For my wildlife shooting, I also try to get low to the ground all the time. Low perspective helps with better subject isolation. It's also a less obvious perspective because most people see things from top down perspective due to standing. I try to get down on the same eye level as the subject, or for some things like smaller species, below their eye level if possible. I use a right angle adapter on my view finder for this (I use a SeaGull Right Angle Viewfinder adapter, $50 on Amazon). This thing works fine for portrait too though. It is a right angle and can turn so you can vertical or horizontal and put the camera as low as you want to the ground, without having to literally lay down. $50 well spent for the hassle!

(LINK) Seagull right angle view finder adapter. (external link) - With this thing, I'm only on my knees, and not on my elbows and ear to the ground anymore!

Ex of low perspective where I hit the deck (either take a knee or I literally lay down) when I know an op is about to happen:

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I'll even run out into the water, drop to my knees in the water, and get a low perspective:

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Or, literally on my elbows in the sand at the beach:

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Dec 31, 2015 07:08 as a reply to  @ MalVeauX's post |  #3

One option that might cost some money depending on what you do and don't have is a eyefi card. Pop it in the 5D, grab your tablet (I use a ipad mini) and connect it to the eyefi wifi network and the next shutter press your photo will show up on the tablet. Then adjust and take more photos. It is like a larger, detached review screen. One last note, you'll need the compact flash adapter for the 5D since it does not have a SD slot (use the eyefi brand one).


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Dec 31, 2015 07:52 |  #4

You could also use this TP Link MR3040 (external link) wifi adapter using an updated firmwear download from DSLRController.com (external link) to add WiFi to pretty much any DSLR. This is going to be a project for me in the new year.

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kaitlyn2004 wrote in post #17838379 (external link)
Been trying to shoot from a lower perspective recently - sometimes a straight-angled shot, other times angled up. It's hard to compose AND ensure horizontal alignment, as I may also not be able to lie down on the ground or anything. Liveview obviously helps... but still difficult. And when I have the level on screen, I also have TONS of other stuff on screen and it's hard to even see what's on it.

Any tips/techniques or accessories that make this sort of shooting much easier?

Obviously the 5D doesn't have a tilting/flip-out LCD... :(

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Dec 31, 2015 08:08 |  #6

kaitlyn2004 wrote in post #17838379 (external link)
Obviously the 5D doesn't have a tilting/flip-out LCD... :(

But you can create one. Hook the camera to a DVD player. What you'll need: a patch cord to connect the DVD player to the camera, easy to find. A DVD player that has a video input jack - harder to find. Most don't, but they do exist. I found the secret is finding a DVD player that has a nice bright display. Most DVD players get washed out outside on a bright day. Easy-peasy, less than a hundred bucks. Hook the camera video out to the DVD video in via a 3-foot, 6-foot (whatever) patch cord and you have a portable LCD screen you can twist, turn, position... do anything you want.


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Dec 31, 2015 09:46 |  #7

What is needed is the Canon Angle Finder C (external link).


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SkipD wrote in post #17838842 (external link)
What is needed is the Canon Angle Finder C (external link).


Definitely NOT the Canon one, they are rubbish.




  
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Jan 01, 2016 00:39 |  #9

john crossley wrote in post #17838919 (external link)
Definitely NOT the Canon one, they are rubbish.

What have you found wrong with the Canon angle finder and what do consider a better solution? I'm curious because I don't have any problems with my Canon finder.

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Jan 01, 2016 01:54 |  #10

Buy a Sony! Love the tilting LCD on my A7.


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Jan 01, 2016 09:00 |  #11

SkipD wrote in post #17839798 (external link)
What have you found wrong with the Canon angle finder and what do consider a better solution? I'm curious because I don't have any problems with my Canon finder.

Thanks.

I, too, am curious. I've had the Canon angle finder for years; there are times when it's a better solution than wireless via the TPLink router. I have, and use, both the Angle Finder C and two TP-Link routers (one with DSLR Controller and one with qDslrDashboard).


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Jan 01, 2016 12:21 as a reply to  @ Jon's post |  #12

How come you use both apps? What does one offer that the other doesn't?

Also was thinking I might just plug phone into camera directly and could mount it to the hot shoe and get an angled LCD that way...


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Jan 01, 2016 14:45 as a reply to  @ kaitlyn2004's post |  #13

qDslrDashboard supports Canon, Nikon, Sony, Panasonic (some models), and multiple cameras. DSLR Controller only supports Canon. Some times I need to handle multiple cameras, or a Nikon, for remote shooting. Also, Zoltan's still adding features to qDslrDashboard; DSLR Controller is pretty much static. Similar reasons to why people shot FF and crop, or have zoom and prime lenses in the same range - each has its own strengths.


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