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Jan 06, 2016 13:19 |  #1

I have been using a Canon 6D for a few years and have a Sigma 50 Art, Sigma 85 1.4 & Canon 135L that I use with it. I also have a Sony A6000 that I use when just running around when I don't want to take the bigger DSLR with me. I have really enjoyed the A6000 and am contemplating getting the Sony A7RII (really good deal from someone). I know that I can adapt my lenses with a Metabones iV or Teacart DEO Saker Light adapter (Supposedly offers the continuos eye AF whereas the Metabones doesn't...is this correct?) I would probably be looking to sell the Sigma 50 Art and get the Sony 55 Zeiss, but I would want to keep my 85 & 135L since I mainly photograph my children and I love those lenses and the alternatives on the Sony are too expensive so i would like to use them.

So, 1) would those two lenses work well with the adapters. Is the AF going to be better than my 6D or atleast close to it with the adapter and lenses. I imagine the pictures and resolution and Dynamic range will be much improved. I mainly shoot my children, 4 year old and 16 month old and I enjoy portraits and environmental portraits of them. I do some tracking with them running around and have had good luck with my A6000, so would the A7RII be comparable in the AF? I mainly just used center focus point and recompose on the 6D since that was the only cross type Point on the 6D so tracking wasn't great on that camera, so would this a7RII be much worse? I hear low light focusing is problematic at times, as well.

Does anyone have experience with any of my lenses and which adapter would be best for me? Just curious if people regret making the switch from Canon and if what I would be looking to shoot, portraiture, environmental portraits (I don't do wildlife or sports) would work well with the Sony. I really like the continuous eye AF and not needing to Microadjust lenses on the Sony.

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I came from the 5d3 to the a7rii. I have the sigma 85 also and use it with a metabones IV T. It works great and the focus issues I had the first time I owned the lens are gone (front/back focus issues on my canon). I tried the lens on the cheaper viltrox II adaptor and it basically didn't work, kept freezing up and resetting camera etc.

I sold my 135L to fund my a7rii but by all accounts it performs great on the sony with the metabones IV.

With regards to the falcon adaptor it does apparently give you eye AF whereas the metabones doesn't but reports suggest its possibly a bit fragile. Personally I wouldn't risk it.

I own the FE 55 and its a seriously good lens, sharp wide open, zeiss rendering etc and you get eye focus which is great. I'm considering adding the sigma 50 (non art) in july as its a great price now and is f/1.4 plus focus issues are gone on mirrorless as mentioned above.

I mainly shoot my 2 year old son these days and my landscape stuff has taken a bit of a back seat lately (something I aim to change this year) and reckon you would find the sony great for what you shoot. I use the camera in continuous focus 99% of the time but dont track per say so can't really comment on that. Tracking not as good as my 5D3 was though.

In low light it can struggle to lock in AFC so I usually switch to single shot and its ok from there. High isos are cleaner than my 5d3 when I tested side by side.

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Jan 06, 2016 14:22 |  #3

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I came from the 5d3 to the a7rii. I have the sigma 85 also and use it with a metabones IV T. It works great and the focus issues I had the first time I owned the lens are gone (front/back focus issues on my canon). I tried the lens on the cheaper viltrox II adaptor and it basically didn't work, kept freezing up and resetting camera etc.

I sold my 135L to fund my a7rii but by all accounts it performs great on the sony with the metabones IV.

With regards to the falcon adaptor it does apparently give you eye AF whereas the metabones doesn't but reports suggest its possibly a bit fragile. Personally I wouldn't risk it.

I own the FE 55 and its a seriously good lens, sharp wide open, zeiss rendering etc and you get eye focus which is great. I'm considering adding the sigma 50 (non art) in july as its a great price now and is f/1.4 plus focus issues are gone on mirrorless as mentioned above.

Hope that's of some use to you

Thanks for your reply. I was just looking over your flickr page as I found some photos of yours in the forums. I notice you have a young boy and take many portraits as well. How have you found the tracking to work and the AF keeping up with your little one in both single Shot and continuos AF? Does it focus OK in lower light compared to your old 5dIII? Also, what do you recommend for OCF and possibly and on camera TTL flash for bouncing flash indoors? I currently have a Rovelight 600B which I Hypersync with Yongnuo triggers. I know I'll need new triggers (Phottix Odin or Pixel Kings) for OCF....any advice? Great pics by the way.




  
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Jan 06, 2016 14:49 |  #4

I'm currently shooting with both the A7rii and 5DIII. I'm using metabones IV for my lenses. All I can tell you that the 85mm Sigma is wonderful. I love it. But the 135 hunts a fair bit anywhere but in good and bright light. So you can work with it, but it focus fast. And sometimes it will fail you. I haven't updated to the latest metabones firmware, so I don't if that would fix the issue.

Personally, I wouldn't give up the 50 Art if I had it. I have the 55 Zeiss. It's a nice lens but not particularly entertaining for me. I prefer f/1.4. The 55 is only better when I need something small to carry with me.


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Jan 06, 2016 14:57 |  #5

I think I was adding to my first post as you were replying so answered some of what you asked above. With regards to flash your yongnuo triggers that you use on the canon will be fine. I just got the nissin i40 for Christmas which I'm finding superb (smaller, ETTL, HSS) but still use my yongnuo triggers and flash off camera.

Like I said above I use AF-C focus most of the time but dont track in the true sense of the term so not the best person to answer that. I just like it on afc so that if my son moves from when I half press until I fully press it will still be in focus, or I can half press as he's looking away with the focus point on his eye and then get his attention so that when he turns I'm already focussing and can take the shot sort of thing.

Eye af is great, it locks on and then you can concentrate on your framing and shoot when ready. Makes it a lot easier when they dont stay still.

Thanks for the compliment too.


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Jan 06, 2016 14:58 |  #6

Oodee I would definately try and update your firmware as I've read great reports on the 135L on FM forums.


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Jan 06, 2016 15:03 |  #7

One other thing I should add is that although I now have bulky dslr lenses I love the fact that I can take the a7rii, fe 28 (great lens for the money) and fe 55 and fit it all in my smallest bag which I previously couldn't even fit the 5d3 with 35 IS fitted. The only lens I could have mounted with that bag was the 40 pancake. Now I've got a great setup and room to spare when I want to go small.

At other times I use a slightly bigger bag and take the dslr lenses when size isn't an issue.

People always bang on about how mirrorless isn't that much of a weight saving but to me the important thing is the saving in shear bulk at times if I need it.


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Jan 06, 2016 15:05 |  #8

xpfloyd wrote in post #17847249 (external link)
One other thing I should add is that although I now have bulky dslr lenses I love the fact that I can take the a7rii, fe 28 (great lens for the money) and fe 55 and fit it all in my smallest bag which I previously couldn't even fit the 5d3 with 35 IS fitted. The only lens I could have mounted with that bag was the 40 pancake. Now I've got a great setup and room to spare when I want to go small.

This is the exact reason why I've bought those two lenses too. Otherwise, I'm happy with my Canon (compatible) lenses and don't see myself moving over to any other Sony lenses.


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Jan 06, 2016 15:07 |  #9

That's where I'm at right now, I reckon these will be my only FE mounts unless I cave in and swap the fe28 for the batis 25. Doubt it though.

Even if I add the sigma 50 non art I will keep the fe55 for the same reasons


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Jan 06, 2016 15:11 |  #10

I can't think of one thing my 50A did better than my FE55, aperture aside. No knock on the 50A, great lens, but the size/weight savings of the FE55 on either an a6000 or A7Rii is substantial.


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cc1995 wrote in post #17847070 (external link)
I have been using a Canon 6D for a few years and have a Sigma 50 Art, Sigma 85 1.4 & Canon 135L that I use with it. I also have a Sony A6000 that I use when just running around when I don't want to take the bigger DSLR with me. I have really enjoyed the A6000 and am contemplating getting the Sony A7RII (really good deal from someone). I know that I can adapt my lenses with a Metabones iV or Teacart DEO Saker Light adapter (Supposedly offers the continuos eye AF whereas the Metabones doesn't...is this correct?) I would probably be looking to sell the Sigma 50 Art and get the Sony 55 Zeiss, but I would want to keep my 85 & 135L since I mainly photograph my children and I love those lenses and the alternatives on the Sony are too expensive so i would like to use them.

So, 1) would those two lenses work well with the adapters. Is the AF going to be better than my 6D or atleast close to it with the adapter and lenses. I imagine the pictures and resolution and Dynamic range will be much improved. I mainly shoot my children, 4 year old and 16 month old and I enjoy portraits and environmental portraits of them. I do some tracking with them running around and have had good luck with my A6000, so would the A7RII be comparable in the AF? I mainly just used center focus point and recompose on the 6D since that was the only cross type Point on the 6D so tracking wasn't great on that camera, so would this a7RII be much worse? I hear low light focusing is problematic at times, as well.

Does anyone have experience with any of my lenses and which adapter would be best for me? Just curious if people regret making the switch from Canon and if what I would be looking to shoot, portraiture, environmental portraits (I don't do wildlife or sports) would work well with the Sony. I really like the continuous eye AF and not needing to Microadjust lenses on the Sony.

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xpfloyd wrote in post #17847166 (external link)
I came from the 5d3 to the a7rii. I have the sigma 85 also and use it with a metabones IV T. It works great and the focus issues I had the first time I owned the lens are gone (front/back focus issues on my canon). I tried the lens on the cheaper viltrox II adaptor and it basically didn't work, kept freezing up and resetting camera etc.

I sold my 135L to fund my a7rii but by all accounts it performs great on the sony with the metabones IV.

With regards to the falcon adaptor it does apparently give you eye AF whereas the metabones doesn't but reports suggest its possibly a bit fragile. Personally I wouldn't risk it.

I own the FE 55 and its a seriously good lens, sharp wide open, zeiss rendering etc and you get eye focus which is great. I'm considering adding the sigma 50 (non art) in july as its a great price now and is f/1.4 plus focus issues are gone on mirrorless as mentioned above.

I mainly shoot my 2 year old son these days and my landscape stuff has taken a bit of a back seat lately (something I aim to change this year) and reckon you would find the sony great for what you shoot. I use the camera in continuous focus 99% of the time but dont track per say so can't really comment on that. Tracking not as good as my 5D3 was though.

In low light it can struggle to lock in AFC so I usually switch to single shot and its ok from there. High isos are cleaner than my 5d3 when I tested side by side.

Hope that's of some use to you

it also will AF your lenses in video, while Metabones won't

My Falcon will be here any day now.


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Jan 06, 2016 17:54 as a reply to  @ nekrosoft13's post |  #13

Thanks for all the great detailed information guys. I think I'm going to bite the bullet and make the purchase. Probably keep my Canon lenses for now and try out the Zeiss 55 and see what I think. Probably would be good to have a native lens for it for when I want to go small. I'll have to see if I prefer the 50 Art of the 55 Zeiss. By the sound of it Metabone iV T seems to be the most recommended. Nekrosoft13...I would love to hear your experience when your Falcon comes in though. I read up on it and it says that it really only works in NOR mode for the a7RII and not in the FN mode which gives the native lens functions. I guess only contrast detect works in that mode for the a7RII. Did I read that wrong? The only reason I would want the Falcon is if it would provide me the Continuous Eye AF like on the Sony native lenses. Maybe things have changed or I'm reading it wrong or don't quite understand. Really excited about getting it. I really love the little A6000...so I imagine I'm really going to love this camera.




  
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I also own metabones, i got it for free with a7RII, once my Falcon comes in I will do comparison.

Either Metabones or Falcon is perfect but its a good indication where things are heading, maybe with Metabones V things will get better ;)


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Jan 06, 2016 19:45 |  #15

AF is better than the 6D in some ways worst in others.

Accuracy - A7rii, it just nails it

Super low light - 6D center point

Focus area - A7rii, most of the frame can be focused

Focus speed - 6D center point

Outer focus points - A7rii, face detection makes it very easy to lock on kids without moving the joypad.

the FE 55 is really good, hard to top that lens. It's microscopic in size as well.

samples from sony 55 and mbiv + EF 100mm f2 (135 f2 works just as well, have both).

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