Zoom lens to replace my 250 STM Zoom

Doesnt matter what you call him - he wont run to you


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Pagman wrote in post #17864614
The good things is that i have finally found a lens that is sharp enouth and a true stella lens, in my oppinion and from what i have seen the lens can out resolve the 7d by a large margin, the 55-250 STM is so sharp i can litteraly crop and crop and the detail and fine detail is still there, the lens is modern and canon have just got it Bang Rite its Bang Tidy.

The only issue i have with the lens is its length.

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What is your goal though? What is the final deliverable you are looking for that you are not getting now? If you like the images you are getting, and you can crop down to what you want, where is the deficiency right at this moment? If you cannot answer that, then you have fallen into Gear Acquisition Syndrome, and I am trying to help you out of that abyss.

Also, could you possibly rent a 150-500 or a 150-600 to see how it works for you? It would be alot less expenditure long-term if you find they don't do what you are looking for.

TeamSpeed wrote in post #17864666
What is your goal though? What is the final deliverable you are looking for that you are not getting now? If you like the images you are getting, and you can crop down to what you want, where is the deficiency right at this moment? If you cannot answer that, then you have fallen into Gear Acquisition Syndrome, and I am trying to help you out of that abyss.

Also, could you possibly rent a 150-500 or a 150-600 to see how it works for you? It would be alot less expenditure long-term if you find they don't do what you are looking for.

The lens qualities have shown me that it can withstand a lot of cropping more than the 7d can deliver, i know the 7d is probably no noiser than other cams of her class and generation, but with sever crops near to 100% or close to 1400p even with proper exposure and 100 Iso the pic suffers, my nikon d7100 with its 24mp was better for cropping as the files were smoother and i had a bit more cropping room.

As an example with a similar pic taken om my d7100 and 300mm lens i only needed top crop to 2000p to reach the same size image as a crop of 1400p takes on my 7d.

I feel the lens can take mega amounts of cropping as the detail is there, and it can easily reach 4-500mm lengths by cropping as long as the cam sensor has enouth resolution and clean enough to take the cropping.

As i have said before perfect scenario - 55-250 STM lens on a Nikon D7100/7200 body/sensor with the 7d AF system, this would be Perfect....


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Pagman wrote in post #17864723
The lens qualities have shown me that it can withstand a lot of cropping more than the 7d can deliver, i know the 7d is probably no noiser than other cams of her class and generation, but with sever crops near to 100% or close to 1400p even with proper exposure and 100 Iso the pic suffers, my nikon d7100 with its 24mp was better for cropping as the files were smoother and i had a bit more cropping room.

As an example with a similar pic taken om my d7100 and 300mm lens i only needed top crop to 2000p to reach the same size image as a crop of 1400p takes on my 7d.

I feel the lens can take mega amounts of cropping as the detail is there, and it can easily reach 4-500mm lengths by cropping as long as the cam sensor has enouth resolution and clean enough to take the cropping.

As i have said before perfect scenario - 55-250 STM lens on a Nikon D7100/7200 body/sensor with the 7d AF system, this would be Perfect....

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You have seriously unreasonable expectations of any lens camera combo. Shooting a plane 5 miles high moving 500 miles an hour then cropping down to 10% or less of the frame and expecting it to be noise free and sharp is absurd. This why many of us suggest you rent before you buy so you may come to understand what you want doesnt actually exist.

gonzogolf wrote in post #17864731
You have seriously unreasonable expectations of any lens camera combo. Shooting a plane 5 miles high moving 500 miles an hour then cropping down to 10% or less of the frame and expecting it to be noise free and sharp is absurd. This why many of us suggest you rent before you buy so you may come to understand what you want doesnt actually exist.

Noise free no, but less noise yes.


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gonzogolf wrote in post #17864731
You have seriously unreasonable expectations of any lens camera combo. Shooting a plane 5 miles high moving 500 miles an hour then cropping down to 10% or less of the frame and expecting it to be noise free and sharp is absurd.

I think to put it into perspective - i am not on about creating a show stopping image that has everyone saying "how did i do that?" there is only one person who used to post on the contrail section who does that, but he does have some amazing equipment beyond my wildest dreams, i love my lens love how it never complains at focusing and never gives me an out of focus shot, i absolutley love the image quality and contrast it creates.
I just wish they had a something - 400mm STM Zoom when i had been in the buying zone, if it had been perhaps £100-£150 more than what i paid i would have brought it, 150 extra mm would mean that amount of less cropping on the 7d.


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Pagman wrote in post #17864783
I think to put it into perspective - i am not on about creating a show stopping image that has everyone saying "how did i do that?" there is only one person who used to post on the contrail section who does that, but he does have some amazing equipment beyond my wildest dreams, i love my lens love how it never complains at focusing and never gives me an out of focus shot, i absolutley love the image quality and contrast it creates.
I just wish they had a something - 400mm STM Zoom when i had been in the buying zone, if it had been perhaps £100-£150 more than what i paid i would have brought it, 150 extra mm would mean that amount of less cropping on the 7d.

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STM in a 400 is silly. STM is to make better focusing for video. Video isnt used much in 400 unless you are talking big bucks, not consumer grade. some seem to be equating STM with sharpness because the new design lenses are sharper and have stm, but its not the STM motor that makes them sharp.

gonzogolf wrote in post #17864788
STM in a 400 is silly. STM is to make better focusing for video. Video isnt used much in 400 unless you are talking big bucks, not consumer grade. some seem to be equating STM with sharpness because the new design lenses are sharper and have stm, but its not the STM motor that makes them sharp.

The 250 STM uses some new lens construction and placement that opticaly makes it rather nice the STM motor further helps the Focusing by making it steady/accurate and fast, i am not saying its as good as the new 100-400L Optics wise, but i bet its as fast and accurate with focusing.

Think of the price difference -

I paid £50 for a brand new 55-250 STM including the hood


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Pagman wrote in post #17864818
The 250 STM uses some new lens construction and placement that opticaly makes it rather nice the STM motor further helps the Focusing by making it steady/accurate and fast, i am not saying its as good as the new 100-400L Optics wise, but i bet its as fast and accurate with focusing.

Think of the price difference -

I paid £50 for a brand new 55-250 STM including the hood

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The STM is a better motor than the micromotor in the cheap zoom but its still a step down from the USM motors found in canons telephotos. The only advantage to the stm is for video.

I see WEX have three secondhand Sigma 120-400 OS's up at £309, that includes a full 12 months warranty. There SH gear is very good, but as they are my local independent store I can go in and look. The written descriptions always seem to heavily under rate the goods. These are Cond 9/10, I doubt I could really tell the from new, all you would probably see is some marking to the bayonet from mounting/dismounting the lens. I do not think you will get to 400mm ANY cheaper, and it has OS.

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BigAl007 wrote in post #17865145
I see WEX have three secondhand Sigma 120-400 OS's up at £309, that includes a full 12 months warranty. There SH gear is very good, but as they are my local independent store I can go in and look. The written descriptions always seem to heavily under rate the goods. These are Cond 9/10, I doubt I could really tell the from new, all you would probably see is some marking to the bayonet from mounting/dismounting the lens. I do not think you will get to 400mm ANY cheaper, and it has OS.

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That does sound good and a good price, on a site i have used alot on ebay they have a few canon 100-400l mk1's for sale but they are beat up versions abit, and around the £500 mark, was chatting with me wife about this (in a round about i dont need a new lens) kind of way as her CFS and other things has more importance, mine is just to get the best out of my picture taking without being mobile(again depends on the wife) and my arthritis in my hands - the cold dont help flamming sore thingers

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The 250 STM should be sharper than the 100-400L on the 7D especially. The 100-400L isn't all that great, there is quite a bit of copy variation as well. I have had 4 copies of that lens, and only one really pleased me. The 120-400 should work, but the lens is known for being a bit soft at the long end.

This is a shot at 55mm on it

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even with all the severe cropping he's doing? i feel like i'd rather take a 150-500OS at 50% crop over a 55-250STM at 100% crop

DreDaze wrote in post #17865192
even with all the severe cropping he's doing? i feel like i'd rather take a 150-500OS at 50% crop over a 55-250STM at 100% crop

But if the lens is not all that sharp to begin with - whats the point of that? you can not put back a lack of sharpness in a picture if the lens is soft, we all know that, start with the sharpest lens you can afford and go from that is what we all understand

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