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Jan 17, 2016 04:46 |  #1

Hi chaps I've been firing my 2 studio strobes (they have slave sensors) from my camera 5D MkII and a 580ex in manual mode fired off camera with yongnuo 662cs and it seems to work ok (this for jewellery photography). I've now got plenty of light but am still experiencing a little softness ... everywhere I read on photography forums using a tripod is highly recommended however this project involves hundreds of shots in the shortest time - jewellery ranging from necklaces to very small earrings so for speed I'd prefer to go hand-held. Anyone any tips as to how I can achieve this please ? Many thanks Roger


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Jan 17, 2016 04:48 |  #2

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Hi chaps I've been firing my 2 studio strobes (they have slave sensors) from my camera 5D MkII and a 580ex in manual mode fired off camera with yongnuo 662cs and it seems to work ok (this for jewellery photography). I've now got plenty of light but am still experiencing a little softness ... everywhere I read on photography forums using a tripod is highly recommended however this project involves hundreds of shots in the shortest time - jewellery ranging from necklaces to very small earrings so for speed I'd prefer to go hand-held. Anyone any tips as to how I can achieve this please ? Many thanks Roger

Heya,

Post an example of what you're calling soft. My guess is that it's just missed focus (be it due to not achieving focus in the first place, or from achieving focus and then slightly recomposing, etc). Post a few examples if you can. It will help figure this out.

Odds are, it's not the lights. Nor is it your hand holding (exposure duration being that of the flashes, which is likely very, very fast, like 1/800s or faster easily, so I doubt you're getting softness due to hand holding with flash).

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Jan 17, 2016 05:53 |  #3

I agree that the softness is not related to the lighting or hand holding. It may be a depth of field issue but it would be helpful to see samples.




  
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Jan 17, 2016 06:24 |  #4

Thanks chaps, sorry I should have done this in the first post doooohhh

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Jan 17, 2016 06:25 |  #5

BTW I have only fropped this and it has had no post work done ... also it's a little underexposed ...


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Jan 17, 2016 20:19 |  #6

Exif? It appears to have a very narrow DOF, so my first thought would be to shut down your aperture substantially, and also to get farther back from the subject, then crop it back down. Both will increase your DOF enough to get substantially more parts of the jewelry in focus. Make the resolution of the 5D2 work for you.

Oh and take a microfiber towel to wipe down your reflective surface to remove all the lint. It will draw more attention to the jewelry.


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Jan 17, 2016 20:31 |  #7

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BTW I have only fropped this and it has had no post work done ... also it's a little underexposed ...

We need the EXIF data, your settings. It seems to me that you are probably shooting at near MFD of your lens (I assume you're using whatever is in your signature?) at a relatively wider aperture than is typical of something this size. Just looking at the exposure, it strikes me as if the lighting you're using could be done quite differently, it's a very flat, dull, nearly grey, instead of a bright pop. Even a fuzzy image that popped would look good. I agree it looks soft, but this may be due to your distance to subject and aperture on whatever lens. I would over-expose and bring it down in post, rather than under-expose and bring it up.

Is this a box you're using? With lights just hitting the walls? Or is this an open surface with the ability to use softboxes, etc?

And yea, might want to use a rokkit blower or a small vacuum or something to take care of those whiskers on everything.

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Jan 17, 2016 21:32 |  #8

Here is a very quick amateur setup, I don't have a softbox or anything, and only used 1 flash with the YN622C.

If I wanted something more professional, I would either construct or buy a large softbox, and run at least 2 lights into the lightbox sides. I used a very small aperture and shot at a distance, and then cropped. As you can see, there is more in focus with this shot. Try some of this with your current setup to see if the results are closer to what you are looking for.

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Jan 17, 2016 22:59 |  #9

Heya,

I don't do a lot of jewelry, but just trying to replicate a similar shot to see where a problem may exist, here's an example I just threw together with very basic and inexpensive stuff.

Key light is a $49 Flashpoint 120Ws strobe with modeling light, inside a 31" Neewer Brolly Box ($20) on a boom stand.
The backdrop light to force it to be whited out no matter what, is a basic speedlite, a Yongnuo 560 III ($50) on a stand, bare flash against the backdrop.
Yongnuo RF603 transmitter on the camera and strobe (560 III has it built in).
Backdrop is a basic white muslin, cotton basically, over a table and box.
Random kid's earring I found on my floor (2 year olds...).
I used a cheap $40 Canon 10D camera that is only 6.3MP to go with a low quality sensor with low resolution, with a 90mm macro lens.
Camera settings 1/200s, F11, ISO 200. Basic ambient killing settings for macro.
I metered the light at the ring to F11 (see image) based on camera settings.
I metered the light on the backdrop to be +1 stop over exposed to make it all whited out, to F16 (see image), based on camera settings.

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Having done it now, I feel mine is softer than it could be. So having mimiced it, I think the way to fix that is actually just to use depth of field and resolution to your advantage. Basically, don't try to focus at minimum distance, or basically, don't try to go to macro on it. Instead, use depth of field to get the whole thing in focus, and do it from a farther distance. Then crop using the high resolution of your camera. This is what TeamSpeed described in terms of letting your 5D2 do the work for you.

So to test that idea, I re-did it with the same settings. The only difference is, I used a higher resolution camera (650D, so 18MP) and I backed up my distance so that my depth of field at F11 would envelope most of the object, so that it's mostly in focus which will help with the perception of sharpness (which is really just contrast).

I think I like how that worked out even more, as it puts emphasis on all the jewels and while the band is soft, it's ok that it's only slightly soft.

Again the only difference was I used higher resolution and backed up so that depth of field would include more of the subject, and cropped down (the reason for the higher resolution used).

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Jan 18, 2016 02:37 |  #10

Thanks so much chaps for the stunning efforts made to show me how this could be done, I agree the lighting is very 'flat' maybe I'm throwing too much light at it ... I'm using a softbox with a strobe either side softened by the white fabric of the box and a 580ex through the roof of the box for some top light ... I also have a small continuous light led lamp positioned pointing straight at the ring next to the lens. I think though that the led is probably being overpowered by all the other stuff.

Maybe I should get back a bit and turn one of the strobes off ... I was trying to get rid of strong shadows but that seems to have created a flat result and as Malveaux said it needs some 'pop'.

Back to the drawing board ....


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Jan 18, 2016 11:48 as a reply to  @ rogertb's post |  #11

Try running at f11 and shoot about 1m back, then crop your image down to just the jewelry itself. It sounds like you have more than enough light sources for this. I am not sure even if you need the front LED light, just move the rings farther into the softbox. Chances are the 3 light sources will produce more than an abundance of light, I would think.


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Jan 19, 2016 05:29 |  #12

Thanks again all - having done a littl bit of work in Lightroom it doesn't look too bad, I was really trying to reduce the 'post' work to a minimum ... (no money in this job).

Good of you all to take the time.

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Jan 19, 2016 05:50 |  #13

So are you going to try any of our suggestions?


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Jan 19, 2016 08:55 |  #14

Yes of course, practice session tomorrow and we'll see how we go.


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Jan 19, 2016 21:26 |  #15

rogertb wrote in post #17864081 (external link)
I was really trying to reduce the 'post' work to a minimum

Heya,

Other than the cropping and water mark, that's all the post I did. You could do this shooting JPG and just crop and that's it and do no other post work if you use the above methods.

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