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Feb 01, 2016 01:01 |  #1

Procam jumped the gun: http://procam.com …-ii-dslr-camera-body-only (external link)

Official Canon page for EOS-1D X Mark II:
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Now that the 1DXII is shipping, I'm closing this thread.

Discussion of all things 1Dx II continues in the owners thread;
https://photography-on-the.net .../showthread.php?t=1​458333 /// glad to have one less thread to tempt me!!!!

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Feb 01, 2016 05:23 |  #2

If the DPAF sensor on a full frame camera is true, two other things must also be true. The technology will filter down to the 6D line. Canon will be releasing more EF-class STM lenses. I'm in, for the body anyway. Not sure how many redundant STM lenses my wallet can stand. A 24-70 f/4 STM is almost a necessity. A 70-200?, and a few fast primes maybe, 24 & 85? Maybe I'll just stick to the 70D and efs STM (+24-105 STM) lenses. This could get expensive.




  
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Feb 01, 2016 07:19 |  #3

Bassat wrote in post #17881249 (external link)
If the DPAF sensor on a full frame camera is true, two other things must also be true. The technology will filter down to the 6D line. Canon will be releasing more EF-class STM lenses. I'm in, for the body anyway. Not sure how many redundant STM lenses my wallet can stand. A 24-70 f/4 STM is almost a necessity. A 70-200?, and a few fast primes maybe, 24 & 85? Maybe I'll just stick to the 70D and efs STM (+24-105 STM) lenses. This could get expensive.

Canon has thrown out demo material w/ the 7D2 using L glass and it performs flawlessly. Most who will own this 1DX2 and for purpose of video w/ be using L glass and most importantly non attached microphones that won't pick up the lens noise.

Seems like an incremental upgrade, nothing super major but upgrades none the less. Key things stands out to me:

F8 across all points
DPAF for video
4K @ 60fps, 1080 @ 120
170 raw buffer = staggering wow

That is literally the only features that stands out


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Feb 01, 2016 07:24 |  #4

Talley wrote in post #17881302 (external link)
Canon has thrown out demo material w/ the 7D2 using L glass and it performs flawlessly. Most who will own this 1DX2 and for purpose of video w/ be using L glass and most importantly non attached microphones that won't pick up the lens noise.

Seems like an incremental upgrade, nothing super major but upgrades none the less. Key things stands out to me:

F8 across all points
DPAF for video
4K @ 60fps, 1080 @ 120
170 raw buffer = staggering wow

That is literally the only features that stands out


Of course, you are correct. Most novice videographers like me are not going to spend $6000 on a camera! :)




  
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Feb 01, 2016 07:38 |  #5

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Of course, you are correct. Most novice videographers like me are not going to spend $6000 on a camera! :)

The good thing is if you can live without those key features..... the 1dx now being a previous model looks better and better with prices around the 3-3500 range.


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Feb 01, 2016 07:42 |  #6

One question I have is will it shoot the 16fps live view USING dual pixel to focus?

If so this is a huge deal imho.


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Feb 01, 2016 09:58 |  #7

My Opinion

All depends on what the new sensor and the new module for noise reduction and combined technology is going to be able to produce for High ISO results and shadow dark retention capabilities.

They said all along it was game changer technology and have usable range listed as 5o--51000 ISO.

We all know what the D5 is capable of. So does canon. I hope they got it close. The Nikons field tester really emphasized ISO and AF performance on that D5.

I will buy this camera pending tester images and reports- should be out next week or two. I think they will address this Big time. Its what most pros are after for changes. Its got tpbe able to get close to the Sony/Nikon sensors in this department

I think its gonna be a big winner if canon gets that right

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Feb 01, 2016 11:29 |  #8

I hope it is all truthful marketing, because that means the lower models will eventually get this kind of performance. I wouldn't mind very clean 12800. :)


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Feb 01, 2016 11:37 |  #9

It doesn't seem that there will be a huge (if any) improvement on DR to compete with the SONY sensors. To me, that's a big disappointment that Nikon is sure to jump on with the D5.


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Feb 01, 2016 11:43 |  #10

bikfoto wrote in post #17881602 (external link)
It doesn't seem that there will be a huge (if any) improvement on DR to compete with the SONY sensors. To me, that's a big disappointment that Nikon is sure to jump on with the D5.

No way to tell, until we can see what the floor noise is. That is the only place that the Sony sensor beats out Canon for the prior sensors. If they have fixed this, then Sony will no longer have an edge.

I would hope they wouldn't put this in their marketing unless they have indeed increased the SNR. However, that all being said, I suspect that the biggest change will be their firmware/software that cleans up raw noise before storing the raw (yes, I think they will have to do this before the raw storage, else we would be able to see the lack of progress otherwise). In the past, Canon has put quite a bit of effort into the code, from better NR algorithms to a better JPG engine.

With a standard range of ISO 100–51200, the EOS-1D X Mark IIis incredibly sensitive, and thanks to a high signal-to-noise ratio as well as powerful noise reduction, the EOS-1D X Mark II can shoot at expanded sensitivities down to ISO 50 (L) and up to 102400 (H1), 204800 (H2) and even 409600 (H3)!

This concerns me however, because they keep using the same reasons for lower noise each release, and if they had truly had a breakthrough in sensor tech, they would call it out. They don't however. :( There is nothing in this sentence that instills confidence in new sensor tech, IMO.

The EOS-1D X Mark IIcamera features a Canon-developed 20.2 Megapixel full-frame CMOS sensor that not only helps it record more pixels, but also includes gapless micro lenses for enhanced low-light performance. This results in noise reduction in dark portions of the image even at high ISO speeds,....


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Feb 01, 2016 14:00 |  #11

400K shutter life is great


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Feb 01, 2016 14:16 |  #12

TeamSpeed wrote in post #17881589 (external link)
I hope it is all truthful marketing, because that means the lower models will eventually get this kind of performance. I wouldn't mind very clean 12800. :)


I dont think so.

They figured out what happened to 1Dx sales with the 5D3 release. Its pretty clear in the write up that the new ISO increases are due to this new module and how it works in conjunction with the new sensor....Bettin $$ that will be reserved for the 1D series

Experience less noise in higher ISO images via a new 20.2 Megapixel full-frame CMOS sensor, with an ISO range of 100–51200;

With a standard range of ISO 100–51200, the EOS-1D X Mark IIis incredibly sensitive, and thanks to a high signal-to-noise ratio as well as powerful noise reduction, the EOS-1D X Mark II can shoot at expanded sensitivities down to ISO 50 (L) and up to 102400


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Feb 01, 2016 14:34 as a reply to  @ umphotography's post |  #13

My 6D does a decent job at 102,400 with MSNR. I think the 1DX II is H3 at 409,600. My guess is that will be pretty useless.




  
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Feb 01, 2016 14:56 |  #14

They have to get it close to the D5. That means the current 1Dx will need to improve a full stop in ISO performance with good dark and shadow retention

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Feb 01, 2016 15:17 |  #15

umphotography wrote in post #17881824 (external link)
I dont think so.

They figured out what happened to 1Dx sales with the 5D3 release. Its pretty clear in the write up that the new ISO increases are due to this new module and how it works in conjunction with the new sensor....Bettin $$ that will be reserved for the 1D series

Experience less noise in higher ISO images via a new 20.2 Megapixel full-frame CMOS sensor, with an ISO range of 100–51200;

With a standard range of ISO 100–51200, the EOS-1D X Mark IIis incredibly sensitive, and thanks to a high signal-to-noise ratio as well as powerful noise reduction, the EOS-1D X Mark II can shoot at expanded sensitivities down to ISO 50 (L) and up to 102400

Wonder how noise character will be. Canon hasn't made a camera with easily visible banding with the last few new models, so this should be no exception. The existing 1Dx ("mark one") has less high-ISO noise quantity than any other Canon currently, as measured, but the character of 1Dx read noise is slightly inferior to the 7D2, 6D, and 5Ds(r), negating some of the benefit. Character is just as important as quantity.




  
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