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Mar 25, 2016 23:43 |  #1276

Some new posts about 1Dx2 images being pushed at FM.com

http://www.fredmiranda​.com/forum/topic/14209​43 (external link)

looks like 1dx2 much better, but still behind sony.


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Mar 26, 2016 01:08 |  #1277

MedicineMan4040 wrote in post #17948994 (external link)
Hmmmm. I'm waiting on the new 1D beast but I don't plan on loosing the A7Rii anytime soon :)
I see strengths and weaknesses with each body.
Example, we've got Iceland coming up and no EOS kit will be tagging along-why take a machinegun to a landscape fight?

Iceland? Battery life and cold weather performance / weather sealing. 5DsR or D810 would do fine in that environment.


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Mar 26, 2016 01:58 as a reply to  @ idkdc's post |  #1278

I hear you. Having 1Div I know extreme battery life and cold as a non-issue.
But I've learned that the chemical heat packs hunters use in their boots (and I wrap lenses with to prevent condensation) work really well
adhered to the battery grip of the A7Rii in prolonging battery life in the cold, plus we're going mid-May so won't be that cold.
Now after 2 weeks in Iceland we're go to Svalbard-that will be another matter.

It's nothing against Canon. I could even take the 6D, it's great for landscape=has great DR. Honestly I just want a break from honking kit. I carried
full loads in Alaska, s.Africa, Chile, Costa Rica and I just want a break. Nothing I do is going to be in Nat. Geo. and I'm good with that.

But Ha! I am taking my GX8 and the new (if it ever gets here) Leica 100-400mm for walrus!

And who knows. The 1DXii may not even be here by mid-May anyway ;)


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Mar 26, 2016 07:54 |  #1279

From Canon Rumors - sample pix, high iso

http://www.canonrumors​.com …eos-1d-x-mark-ii-samples/ (external link)


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Mar 26, 2016 08:26 |  #1280

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From Canon Rumors - sample pix, high iso

http://www.canonrumors​.com …eos-1d-x-mark-ii-samples/ (external link)

Not exactly an inspired group of shots, but what I found concerning was the noise at 51000. I guess I expected it to be a lot cleaner. The new Nikon D5 is rated for 6 more stops of ISO to 1.3 million, 3 stops more than the 1Dx2. If its as noisy as that at 51000 then those extra stops would be a joke, but if the D5 is cleaner than that at 51000, Canon may have some real competition on their hands.


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Mar 26, 2016 09:08 |  #1281

mwsilver wrote in post #17949261 (external link)
Not exactly an inspired group of shots, but what I found concerning was the noise at 51000. I guess I expected it to be a lot cleaner. The new Nikon D5 is rated for 6 more stops of ISO to 1.3 million, 3 stops more than the 1Dx2. If its as noisy as that at 51000 then those extra stops would be a joke, but if the D5 is cleaner than that at 51000, Canon may have some real competition on their hands.

The D5 looks to have better ISO performance than the 1Dx2 to my eye on the files that I have seen.

25000 looks to be very usable to me with the canon. Thats 2 full stops over a 5D3..30 something puts in 2.5 stops.....which may be a reality ... SO big improvements

I think when you factor AF performance, investment ( Glass) with a brand, and knowledge with a brands product line.....its gonna be apples v/s oranges. These 2 releases firmly lock perspective buyers into their brands.....exactly what both Mfgs wanted to accomplish. I dont see anyone switching ponies over a 1/2 or 2/3 stop iso performance....wont happen


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Mar 26, 2016 11:53 |  #1282

Not defending the 1Dx2 here, Nikon has every logical reason to remain a few steps ahead, but lord almighty don't judge the 1Dx2 based on those idiotic shots from CR!

Those aren't even snapshots, they are piss. No raw file, only a jpeg with who knows what bad internal settings, etc. CR are not photographers, they are gear junkies that spend all their time dreaming about the next thing around the corner. These 'sample" shots illustrate that fact more than anything ever to come down the pike.


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Mar 26, 2016 12:25 |  #1283

umphotography wrote in post #17949307 (external link)
The D5 looks to have better ISO performance than the 1Dx2 to my eye on the files that I have seen.

It would be worth searching some of John Sheehy's recent posts, as he's made some interesting observations about the D5 (both here and on DPReview). It looks as though there's banding at 51k (and 3m is bad), and the low ISO DR is worse than the D4. Some rumours around that they've moved to an off chip ADC for performance reasons; just as Canon have gone on chip. Nothing substantiated, but interesting nonetheless.


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Mar 26, 2016 13:45 |  #1284

David Arbogast wrote in post #17948819 (external link)
DSLRs are supposed to be soon-extinct dinosaurs according to many mirrorless fanboys, but I just keep seeing new abilities being added to DSLRs. At least for now they're getting better, not fading away like some would like to think.

I don't pretend that the optical viewfinder is the ultimate and should never go away, but electronic ones need some major improvements before they completely replace the OVF. They need better contrast and color rendition, a lot more resolution, a lot less lag time, more brightness outdoors during the day to match the ambient light, and not generate lots of heat and limit battery life.

The EVF in concept has greater potential, but we are far from realizing it at this point in time.




  
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Mar 26, 2016 13:51 |  #1285

mwsilver wrote in post #17949261 (external link)
Not exactly an inspired group of shots, but what I found concerning was the noise at 51000. I guess I expected it to be a lot cleaner. The new Nikon D5 is rated for 6 more stops of ISO to 1.3 million, 3 stops more than the 1Dx2. If its as noisy as that at 51000 then those extra stops would be a joke, but if the D5 is cleaner than that at 51000, Canon may have some real competition on their hands.

The D5 has some pretty significant banding noise at 3.2M (51K pushed 6 stops), so it is clearly not close to the virtual photon counter that we might hope to eventually see. As we get into very high ISO exposure indices, read noise becomes the larger percentage of total noise, and its character becomes more crucial.




  
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Mar 26, 2016 14:00 |  #1286

mwsilver wrote in post #17949261 (external link)
Not exactly an inspired group of shots . . . .

My biggest issue with the shots is that I actually couldn't tell what the shooter was even focusing upon.


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Mar 26, 2016 14:52 |  #1287

John Sheehy wrote in post #17949578 (external link)
I don't pretend that the optical viewfinder is the ultimate and should never go away, but electronic ones need some major improvements before they completely replace the OVF. They need better contrast and color rendition, a lot more resolution, a lot less lag time, more brightness outdoors during the day to match the ambient light, and not generate lots of heat and limit battery life.

The EVF in concept has greater potential, but we are far from realizing it at this point in time.

This isn't the appropriate place to discuss it (discussing pluses/minuses of mirrorless), but I'll just say the a7R II EVF is fantastic in my view, I am not held back by it in comparison to the OVF on my 5DS R. It is especially fantastic in low light because it lets me see in the dark.


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Mar 26, 2016 17:08 |  #1288

CyberDyneSystems wrote in post #17949467 (external link)
Not defending the 1Dx2 here, Nikon has every logical reason to remain a few steps ahead, but lord almighty don't judge the 1Dx2 based on those idiotic shots from CR!

Those aren't even snapshots, they are piss. No raw file, only a jpeg with who knows what bad internal settings, etc. CR are not photographers, they are gear junkies that spend all their time dreaming about the next thing around the corner. These 'sample" shots illustrate that fact more than anything ever to come down the pike.

I understand and agree, but I was still expecting the 51000 images to be cleaner. They were extremely noisy to my eye. By the way, I got a warning because i quoted your post which contained the word of idi0tic.


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Mar 27, 2016 00:23 |  #1289

I'm guessing almost all in this thread a pro with vastness of knowledge in these ISO things.
Me Simple Simon looked at the pics=meh=told me nothing of what can be done with a raw file.
I did take away two things. One, I got two visits out of Canon Rumors=my first and last; that they'd link
to those shots shows a desparate need for internet clicks.
Two, Canon has come a long way in ISO reach (I still have a T2i). Instead of pixel-moaning I'm thankful they are pushing
forward.


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Mar 27, 2016 09:11 |  #1290

this is interesting - both better and worse

http://www.fredmiranda​.com/forum/topic/14211​37 (external link)


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