Godox X1, AD360 (v1) and XTR16

I own a combination of AD360s, and V850s. In order to have a more streamlined setup (and HSS without using a YN622) I decided to give the X1 a try. So I picked up an X1 and XTR16 and started testing it on the AD360. A few questions.

1) Is it correct that at most I'll only be able to manually control power of 5 lights with this setup (A-E)? Don't think I'd need more, just wanting to make sure I'm understanding the setup correctly.

2) On the X1, what is the difference between the A/B/C mode which is default and enabling "Gr" when holding down <mode>? Is that just to enable the 5 groups?

3) When using the XTR16 it seems to disable the sound on the AD360? Basically I can no longer hear when the flash is cycled. Anyone else have this problem?

Thanks

adammazza wrote in post #17883616
I own a combination of AD360s, and V850s. In order to have a more streamlined setup (and HSS without using a YN622) I decided to give the X1 a try. So I picked up an X1 and XTR16 and started testing it on the AD360. A few questions.

1) Is it correct that at most I'll only be able to manually control power of 5 lights with this setup (A-E)? Don't think I'd need more, just wanting to make sure I'm understanding the setup correctly.

2) On the X1, what is the difference between the A/B/C mode which is default and enabling "Gr" when holding down <mode>? Is that just to enable the 5 groups?

3) When using the XTR16 it seems to disable the sound on the AD360? Basically I can no longer hear when the flash is cycled. Anyone else have this problem?

Thanks

1) With a XTR16 receiver you have ability to adjust manual flash power in the older manual only flashes with one of the TTL 2.4G transmitters (X1, AD360II or TT685). You still have to enable the H mode in the flash it self as this feature is not automatically enabled. I am not sure if modeling light or focus lamp features will be allowed if Godox ever puts modeling light control in one of their 2.4G transmitters. It sounds like Godox is looking at adding this feature to the X1 for the AD600 but whether it will be useable for older manual only flashes remains to be seen. It looks like the new XT16 transmitter has the lamp feature same as the FT16 so I guess for what ever features are lacking in the 2.4G TTL transmitters can be controlled from the XT16 2.4G transmitter. Kind of unhandy but at least you have direct control of Manual flash power which is good enough for me.

2) The difference between the A,B,C mode compared to the "Gr" mode is the same as with the Canon Wireless RT system. The older Canon DSLR's are not capable of using the "Gr" mode. The A,B,C mode allows all Canon DSLRs to use the X1 wireless system with 3 Groups in either TTL only, Manual only or Multi only modes. If you have a newer 2012 or newer DSLR then you can activate and use the "Gr" mode which gives you 5 Groups and the ability to set each Group independently to either TTL or Manual modes or you have the ability to turn a Group "Off". The AD360II and TT685 still use the older Canon Optical Wireless Modes in a Radio Master configuration. I have been begging Godox to at least upgrade the AD360II and TT685 to the same features as the X1 and to also allow for individual mode control in the 3 Group configuration as it is with the "Gr" mode.

3) My problem is that I cannot hear any beeps that these strobes make in the first place so, I am not sure of an answer to your question.

I just checked and the "beep" feature, when enabled in the flash, is disabled as soon as the flash goes off when triggered by the X1. A way around this, I realize it kind of defeats the purpose of the XTR16 receivers giving direct flash power control from the X1, is to use an FT16 or XT16 in the X1 hot shoe to trigger and control the flash power of Legacy flashes, this will allow enabling the "Beep" and the focus lamp. HSS works in this setup when H mode is selected in the Legacy flash and you can hyper sync at 1/1 power as well. Using the flash sync timing adjustment (15-20) of the X1 I can pickup an extra stop of flash exposure with an AD360.

Thanks, so I'm not using a mix of TTL, manual, etc, so I don't think the group limitation will affect me, even though I do use a 5dm3.

I also use a Fuji XT1 and X100T and just checked and I'm able to use group mode with them. By group mode I mean being able to individually control 5 different lights. (didn't have to change to the function for single pin either).

I will also use this with my Rovelights. Just curious how did you figure out the timing setting for the Rovelight and HSS? Just trial and error.

Also how do you tell the firmware version?

Thanks again.

adammazza wrote in post #17883789
Thanks, so I'm not using a mix of TTL, manual, etc, so I don't think the group limitation will affect me, even though I do use a 5dm3.

I also use a Fuji XT1 and X100T and just checked and I'm able to use group mode with them. By group mode I mean being able to individually control 5 different lights. (didn't have to change to the function for single pin either).

I will also use this with my Rovelights. Just curious how did you figure out the timing setting for the Rovelight and HSS? Just trial and error.

Also how do you tell the firmware version?

Thanks again.

Cfn-01 is not really "single pin" as far as I tested it, such as the "legacy" feature of the YN-E3-RT. All I can figure out that it does is make the X1 transmitter and receivers stay on rather than go to sleep. If it disabled all but the center pin then I should be able to use a 5DmII in the "Gr" Manual mode but as soon as I half press the shutter button it kicks me out of "Gr" into the TTL 3 group mode. So if you are using a camera with out the Canon TTL pin alignment you can probably get away with using the "Gr" mode in Manual settings. If you are using a pre 2012 Canon DSLR then there is communication going on and the "Gr" mode is not useable even when CFn-01 is set to 01. Your 5DmIII can use the "Gr" mode as long as you have V06 firmware or newer.

You can check the firmware version on the X1 transmitter by holding the bottom "mode" button in while you turn on the X1. It will show U- 10 if you have the most current update. I know you're not using the X1 with any of the new TTL 2.4G flashes or with the X1 receivers but the last two firmware updates added two new custom functions and features. You now have rear curtain sync capability in both Manual and TTL modes if you enable it in CFn-04 (set 01) and shoot at a shutter speed slower than 1/30. It works with the XTR16 receivers and the AD360's. The other update was for 1/256 power setting in the AD600's.

The "flash sync timing adjustment" CFn-00 is just a trial and error adjustment.

I have also found when using the XTR16 receivers with the Legacy flashes and the X1 transmitter, that Manual flash settings are not automatically sent when the X1 is turned on or when you press the shutter button. If you are making a setting change to a Group then of course the new flash power for that Group is sent to the flash as soon as you enter it into the X1 but, if you already have settings in your Groups, and you add a flash with an XTR16 receiver, then you'll need to send those settings to the flash, by selecting the Group in the middle of the screen and pressing the "GR" button twice will transfer the setting for that Group or, you can just press the "Test" fire button and it will transfer the flash power settings for all the Groups.

Thanks, so I have U-05

And now I'm on U-11....

adammazza wrote in post #17883848
And now I'm on U-11....

It looks like I need an update. I have to hand it to Godox, they have been fixing issues and adding new features at a steady pace.

My initial impressions of the X1-C Transmitter:
http://www.markkitaoka​.com …doxwistro-ad600bm-strobe/

pursang wrote in post #17884014
My initial impressions of the X1-C Transmitter:
http://www.markkitaoka​.com …doxwistro-ad600bm-strobe/

You have some issues that I have not experienced.

Quote "The hot shoe pass through will not work with a CellsII transmitter for HSS, but does work with the FT-16 transmitter. So using HSS with my AD360s in conjunction with the AD600BM was not possible. Using the AD360s NOT in HSS mode works well."

I have not had a problem with the FT16 transmitter in the X1 hot shoe in using HSS with the AD360 triggered by the FT16 and the AD600 triggered by the X1. I can get both to perform HSS with no problem. You can also put a FTR16 receiver in the AD600 control port and trigger it in HSS with the CellsII. Just set the AD600 to manual mode non wireless and turn on HSS. Godox has cross compatibility between their 433MHz and 2.4G wireless systems. There is usually more than one way to do something and Godox has made all their flash products to work with either the 2.4G system or the 433MHz system or both at the same time. Just depends on what wireless components you have and how creative you want to get.

The Hot Shoe of the X1 is not a "TTL Pass Through" hot shoe but rather all TTL communication with the camera is done by the X1 and then the X1 communicates with the TTL device in it's hot shoe, which it assumes is a compatible TTL flash. In fact the trigger signal to the center pin is also passed from the X1 because the X1's flash sync timing feature can delay the trigger signal to the center pin. Another TTL transmitter in the X1 hot shoe will not work. The CellsII is a TTL trigger so it will not function in the hot shoe of the X1. If you tape all the pins except for the center pin, then the CellsII, in the X1 hot shoe, will trigger the AD360 and you can get HSS in H mode or hyper sync at 1/1. If you go into CFn-00 in the X1 and set the flash sync timing to 20 you can pick up about a stop of flash exposure when using the AD360 at 1/1 hyper sync.

I only had two issues with the X1's when I first got them ( https://photography-on-the.net …showthread.php?​p=17782795 ) but, once I fixed those issues I have been highly impressed with the X1.

I have no issue with the X1 using 1/128- as 1/256 power and I actually love that all flash power adjustments are made to the Group in the middle of the screen and that you select Groups by scrolling through them. I find this very fast to use and I am not looking all over a screen for something blinking or something that is highlighted. Everything takes place right in the middle of the screen, next to the white dot. I personally hope that Godox leaves all this just the way it is. Just my one opinion.

The Google tool bar will translate Chinese so you can read the Godox Download page in English.

For a $45 transmitter the X1 has features not found in far more expensive transmitters. It has wireless rear curtain sync in both Manual and ETTL modes. That's pretty impressive and something you did not mention in your review.

What is custom 4? I just see a reference to 5.

Thank you and I completely agree that the price/performance of the X1 as well as all of the Godox instruments I've used are a great value.

Any outstanding issues on AD360 II that Godox need to resolve?
I am considering to get the II to replace my version I that has just blown up today and wondering if Godox will release the new batch of the AD360 II.

nixland wrote in post #17884326
Any outstanding issues on AD360 II that Godox need to resolve?
I am considering to get the II to replace my version I that has just blown up today and wondering if Godox will release the new batch of the AD360 II.

Cable quality issues at the moment, for me

I don't know about wireless thingy, I believe X1 is good performer but can't comment on it yet

adammazza wrote in post #17884141
What is custom 4? I just see a reference to 5.

The X1 CFn-04 is for rear curtain sync. 00 rcs is disabled and 01 rcs is enabled any time you set a shutter speed of 1/30 or longer

nixland wrote in post #17884326
Any outstanding issues on AD360 II that Godox need to resolve?
I am considering to get the II to replace my version I that has just blown up today and wondering if Godox will release the new batch of the AD360 II.

I think Godox snuck in a TTL tweek in the last V2.5 firmware update which was supposed to be for the rear curtain sync compatibility. The only real issue I had with the AD360II was the TTL performance. Testing it after the firmware update it is much better not that it was a deal breaker by any means before. The one issue is that I am not crazy about is Godox's choice to have the AD360II and TT685, when in radio Master configuration, to basically imitate the same features as Canons wireless optical system. I would at least like to see a carry through of the X1 features, after all if the X1 is the same 2.4G system then why couldn't they just put an X1 transmitter in the AD360II and TT685? Phottix put an Odin transmitter in the Mitros+. On the AD360II not a big deal to me because I will never use the AD360II as a Master flash but it is more important to me on the TT685 which I would again probably never use as a Master flash because the way the flash head swivels and pivots.

The only thing I can find issue in is that the new AD360II has some molded plastic nubs, down in the bulb socket on the front and back sides, that is for modifiers to lock around. I noticed that some of my newer modifiers had slots and some now have slot with a little notch off to the side to allow them to slide down around these plastic nubs and then with a twist you can lock the modifiers. I guess the friction adjustment must have been too much for some people to work. The friction knob is still there so now you have a belt and suspenders to keep your modifiers in place. I am going to have to modify all my old modifiers with these slots and notches. Nothing a die grinder cannot fix in short order to either modify the modifiers or just take the nubs off and do away with them. I guess it will depend on the mood I am in when I get the die grinder out as to what gets modified.