1D V and 1Ds V?

Hi again,

Someone in another forum [you know] stated that Canon is planning to release 1D V and 1Ds V bodies with the initial specifications:

1D V - 24mp on 1.3 crop - 12fps and expanded iso.

1Ds V - 50+mp on FF - 6fps and expanded iso over 5D-S.

Is it possible or is it true? or let's say will Canon think about releasing those 2 bodies when there are 5D line and 1DX where they just announced 1DX II and 5DS/R aren't so old yet, so what do you think?

And how much you think they will cost? and are those 2 bodies worthy against say 5DsR and 1DXII? and what about that 5D4?

For me i am only interested in 1DV, 24mp and 1.3x are something i am looking for since 1D3, now i can keep 1DX and sure will say goodbye to 1D3, 1 series is always my top favorite choice, i didn't buy 7D2 regardless many are happy with it, i accept and trust issues with 1 series and not accepting issues from non 1 series.

I am wondering why not much rumours talked about those 2 bodies so far, only about 1DXII and 7D2/5D3 replacements [7D3/5D4].

Canon is not releasing those cameras at all. Their priority is the 1DX Mark II and 5D Mark IV.

DJHaze596 wrote in post #17887091
Canon is not releasing those cameras at all. Their priority is the 1DX Mark II and 5D Mark IV.

I don't know, i just asked here as a post, if they won't release is not my business, but i really wish if they do for 1DV, not much interested in 1Ds V even it will be great, i would choose 1DsV over 5DsR or 5D Mark IV, but i can wait and see, 1DXII is just released and anything is welcomed as i can watch and choose and decide later.

I think thats simply somebody's fantasy. Why would they build a 1D full frame variant to cut sales of the 1DxII? If you want 50mp there is a camera for that. The 1.3 crop is dead and only a few sports shooters are really pining for it.

Popular understanding based on both history and what we've heard from Canon says that the 1D series and 1Ds series were merged into the 1Dx.

5Ds has replaced the 1Ds niche market for those that needed massive MP but did not require the pricier 1Ds body design.

IMHO, I do not think we will see a 1.3x 1D again since the 1Dx does everything that camera does 9albeit at a higher cost) nor a 1Ds again as the need for such a High MP body in a bullet proof deign was limited in the first place.

Ok, make sense then.
I thought that Canon will keep that 1.3x line, but they just got busy with 5D line and another xD line such as 7D/7D2 and now with 1DX line, 1D4 was a great camera even i didn't have the chance to buy it, and i have 1DX but still thinking about 1.3x, so why they have to stop that line? i understand about 1Ds line, it was great and i don't think about about it anymore, but for sports and wildlife we still praise 1.3-1.6x factor, 7D and 7D2 aren't that much appealing as 1D series with 1.3x.

i won't understand Canon future planning, and whatever they do they have reasons, but sometimes i feel they go another side or direction so it force us to go that direction too, until now i am not using the video feature and most brands are fighting for 4K or even more, i still don't watch one movie at that quality, even videos on youtube with 4K i can't watch it at full potential, so why care about video much and 4K and stop another line?

I am wrong in this statement maybe, but to me, 1.3x equal 5-8mp, so with 1DX FF and 18mp i am still not on par, i don't know if i will favor that 1D4 if i have or 1DX, but for me if they will produce a camera for sports and cropping is a standard in editing then they should at least put 24mp up to 30's mp, the crop from 1DX is superior to my 1DX, but how much it is superior to 1D4? and 1D3 has only 10mp so no contest, but if they have a camera that has 1.3x and say 18mp i will go with that over 1DX current specification, so i can't imagine if it is 1.3x and 20+ mp and 12-16fps, if Canon can really think about 1DV as i mentioned above then i will definitely go with this over 1DX II, i know you may not be interested in that model, but i am me and you are you, different approach.

CyberDyneSystems wrote in post #17887114
Popular understanding based on both history and what we've heard from Canon says that the 1D series and 1Ds series were merged into the 1Dx.

5Ds has replaced the 1Ds niche market for those that needed massive MP but did not require the pricier 1Ds body design.

IMHO, I do not think we will see a 1.3x 1D again since the 1Dx does everything that camera does 9albeit at a higher cost) nor a 1Ds again as the need for such a High MP body in a bullet proof deign was limited in the first place.

I think the hopes/interest in APS-H come from the announcement in the last quater of 2015 from Canon

"TOKYO, September 7, 2015—Canon Inc. announced today that it has developed an APS-H-size (approx. 29.2 x 20.2 mm) CMOS sensor incorporating approximately 250 million pixels (19,580 x 12,600 pixels), the world's highest number of pixels1 for a CMOS sensor smaller than the size of a 35 mm full-frame sensor.

When installed in a camera, the newly developed sensor was able to capture images enabling the distinguishing of lettering on the side of an airplane flying at a distance of approximately 18 km from the shooting location.2"

But then the article concludes, "Canon is considering the application of this technology in specialized surveillance and crime prevention tools, ultra-high-resolution measuring instruments and other industrial equipment, and the field of visual expression."

The thread on the other forum is a joke. OP's forum name is Psychic1.....

Choderboy wrote in post #17887801
The thread on the other forum is a joke. OP's forum name is Psychic1.....

True, you are right!

wish if it wasn't a joke, hahaha

Hrm,

Yea I don't see a 1DV of any variation. The 5DsR sort of already does this with its "crop modes." And the 1DX is the convergence of the 1D & 1Ds (FPS & resolution/full frame combined). There's really no reason to go back to APS-H. If the 1DX were a crop (1.3x) with more resolution (24MP) and a significant hit to ISO performance, regardless of it's FPS, etc, it wouldn't be the same camera at all. It would just be a little bit better 1D4.

What would a 1DV even be? Crop? It would have to be a high resolution crop with 10+ FPS and vastly outperform a 7D2 and cost twice as much.
1Ds V? Well, that's the 1DX. So the 1Ds VI is the 1DX II. Or more realistically, X has replaced all of the 1D so there's a single 1D line.

Very best,

MalVeauX wrote in post #17888221
Hrm,

Yea I don't see a 1DV of any variation. The 5DsR sort of already does this with its "crop modes." And the 1DX is the convergence of the 1D & 1Ds (FPS & resolution/full frame combined). There's really no reason to go back to APS-H. If the 1DX were a crop (1.3x) with more resolution (24MP) and a significant hit to ISO performance, regardless of it's FPS, etc, it wouldn't be the same camera at all. It would just be a little bit better 1D4.

What would a 1DV even be? Crop? It would have to be a high resolution crop with 10+ FPS and vastly outperform a 7D2 and cost twice as much.
1Ds V? Well, that's the 1DX. So the 1Ds VI is the 1DX II. Or more realistically, X has replaced all of the 1D so there's a single 1D line.

Very best,

Just forget about it, in my first post i mentioned what that member mentioned as main specifications, but i really don't care if that is just a joke/dream or real, we will know in the future if something or nothing.

And, if Canon really could make again a body with 1.3x and say 24mp and 10-12fps and good enough high ISO i will buy this over 1DX anytime, actually if they can make it then i will make it as a main body and my 1DX will be a backup, if it won't be a main for you it is your choice not mine.

Tareq wrote in post #17888280
Just forget about it, in my first post i mentioned what that member mentioned as main specifications, but i really don't care if that is just a joke/dream or real, we will know in the future if something or nothing.

And, if Canon really could make again a body with 1.3x and say 24mp and 10-12fps and good enough high ISO i will buy this over 1DX anytime, actually if they can make it then i will make it as a main body and my 1DX will be a backup, if it won't be a main for you it is your choice not mine.

The reason they wont make it is the reason you cite. They simply aren't going to canibalize the market for the 1DXII. There is not enougj room at the top of the market for 2 such bodies.

gonzogolf wrote in post #17888337
The reason they wont make it is the reason you cite. They simply aren't going to canibalize the market for the 1DXII. There is not enougj room at the top of the market for 2 such bodies.

Ok, then we will hold on 1DX or think about 1DXII in the future.