Dark-Eyed Junco ID?

The Dark-Eyed Juncos are a regular at our feeders. The first picture below is the "typical" Junco we see. The second picture shows one with some brown coloration that showed up today. Juvenile?

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the bottom picture is how they all look in california...i just googled it, and i guess in the west they are like that, and in the east are like your first picture(which is a coloration i've never seen before)

Nice shots Mark. I see a lot of the 2nd one in our backyards too.

Nice ones Mark....

These are slate colored juncos, which is a subspecies of the dark eyed junco. The top one is an adult male and the bottom one is an adult female.

The main species on the west coast is the Oregon junco that has a very distinct black head, so they look quite different from the slate colored junco. Andre, the slate colored can be found on the west coast but only in winter.

For comparison, here is an Oregon junco which stays year-round on the West Coast: http://northwestbirdin​g.com …n_junco_male_03​-03-11.jpg

Very nice captures. We see a few Slate-colored here in winter but mostly Oregons.

Yeah, the winter range of the slate colored covers much all of the US.

See map below:

http://identify.whatbi​rd.com/img/4/63974/ima​ge.aspx

I would offer up "cismontanus" or "Cassiar" junco for the bottom bird. I usually have a few that come to my yard and look that coloring. I actually photo'd one this weekend. Those names were brought up in a group when I was discussing the Oregon bird that showed at my house.

Scrumhalf wrote in post #17889641
These are slate colored juncos, which is a subspecies of the dark eyed junco. The top one is an adult male and the bottom one is an adult female.

Thanks Sam! I am pretty sure this is the correct answer! I did a little more research and this is the same conclusion that I came to!

Peter2516 wrote in post #17889605
Nice shots Mark. I see a lot of the 2nd one in our backyards too.

Thanks Peter! There are probably more Juncos at my feeders right now than any other bird species.

budcam wrote in post #17889635
Nice ones Mark....

I appreciate the comment Dan!

kd_reno wrote in post #17889890
Very nice captures. We see a few Slate-colored here in winter but mostly Oregons.

Thank you Ken!

And THANKS to everyone else who contributed to my inquiry!

Very nice Mark. I believe the second one is a female "oregon".

2n10 wrote in post #17891114
Very nice Mark. I believe the second one is a female "oregon".

Unlikely, John. Photo was taken in NC. Oregon juncos do not venture that far East. Pretty sure that's a female slate colored.

2n10 wrote in post #17891114
Very nice Mark. I believe the second one is a female "oregon".

Thanks John! I am pretty sure it is a female Slate colored, primarily because of the location (NC) and proximity to the Slate colored males. But if you study the pictures the Oregon females show more tan on their bodies and wings than this one has. They're close though!

budcam wrote in post #17889649
Beauty set Denis...

Some of the local females are like the female in this thread. I wonder if there os a first winter plumage for these birds?