Comnecting internal bluray read writer to power and MB.

I have a good Pioneer 16x internal Blu Ray reader. The idea was to connect it and leave in on the lower shelf - as my case has no 5.25" bay and I will only use it to load software that only comes on DVD and maybe check out a Blu ray to test the 4 K screen . But its too big so has to be run just sitting beside the case.
So now I will put it in a 5.25" Icy Box external USB 3.0 case
IB-550StU3S - External enclosure for 5.25" SATA Blu-Ray/CD/DVD Drives and 3.5" HDDs
http://www.raidsonic.d​e …ex_en.php?we_ob​jectID=456

Submariner wrote in post #17901624
I have a good Pioneer 16x internal Blu Ray reader. ...
QI. The manaul says this Pioneer "is an internal drive , always mount in the PC case's 5.25" bay. Do not run externally"
Is that just health and safety stuff , or is it relying on some ground connection to the pc case?

On the back of the Pioneer it just has one Sata power connector and one Sata data connector.
Am I ok to connect these 2 cables and run it externally, just to test it ; or should I temporarily connect the case of the blu ray to the pc case with wire i.e. Providing a ground?
...

Q2. Regarding long term running it in the Icy box.
On the blu ray case it says:-
Power
12V 2.2A
5V 1.4A

[Having been caught before with two 2.5" external caddies, that had external 5V power supplies. The first gave the BSOD when you connected the power supply and the second, switched off the hhd drive which required 5V 1.1 Amp.
Neither suppler could work it out.?? But the second supplier , the one that the power connector turned off the drive ( with a quiet clicking noise), said "it will be fine without the external power connected" , and it worked! Hence my concerns]

But I understand USB 3.0 only provides 900 mA = 0.9 A.
Why does this Pioneer drive have 2 power voltages?, or is it either or?

Hmm what is Sata Power is it 12V or 12V and 5V on different wires?

Note the Icy Box brochure says it has an external power supply with it, of but just says External power supply: AC: 100 – 240 V, 24 W. No voltage etc.??
But on the rear of the case it shows a power connector saying 12V. So at 24 watts thats only 2A. The pioneer says 2.2A!
Will this be a problem.

Any views, anyone using one of these?

The probable reason for 'do not run externally' is likely to be for FCC compliance with RF noise generated by the unit not being contained within a proper grounded case, so manfucturer is covering their own butt for not having an FCC compliance label on their product. As for external case, the case needs to have its own power supply, and not depend upon the USB 3.0 connector of the computer to supply what your Bluray device needs ...USB 3.0 is spec'd only to 900ma for 5V only! That is another reason for 'not for external use' statement, to prevent folks from getting enclosures requring USB connector power (not from external power adapter) and devices needing 12V like your Bluray device does!

The 'old styple' SATA power connector actually provides 3.3 V along with the traditional 5 V and 12 V supplies, but few devices use the 3.3V supply. Each voltage is actually connnected to 3 pins on the connector, and each pin can supply 1.5A, enough for your Bluray device.

The newer 6-pin slimline SATA power connector does not carry 12V or 3.3V, but only 5V, so depending upon connectory type it may be an issue for you!

[edit: I just checked the specs and user guide for your enclosure and while it has an external power supply, user guide states NOTHING about supplied voltages within the enclosure on its internal connectors to the device installed inside...the user guide sucks for technical information! The datasheet at least says
"Internal Interface 1x SATA", but is it the 'old style' with 12V or the slimline connector (without 12V)?!...the user guide tells you little other than 'unscrew it top open, install your device, screw close']

I think the website you want is http://hardforum.com/

Thanks for the detailed reply - yep very minimal spec info, hence my concerns.

Not knowing anything - how do I know if my sata power connector is the new style without 12V or the old style one?

Submariner wrote in post #17904327
Thanks for the detailed reply - yep very minimal spec info, hence my concerns.

Not knowing anything - how do I know if my sata power connector is the new style without 12V or the old style one?

As I said in the earler response:

"The 'old styple' SATA power connector actually provides 3.3 V along with the traditional 5 V and 12 V supplies, but few devices use the 3.3V supply. Each voltage is actually connnected to 3 pins on the connector, and each pin can supply 1.5A, enough for your Bluray device.

The newer 6-pin slimline SATA power connector does not carry 12V or 3.3V, but only 5V, so depending upon connector type it may be an issue for you!"

The 'old style' SATA connector in photo, data port 7 pins left, power port 15 pins right...

Thanks
I will photo my connector tomorrow
And up load an image - but looks like I have the new style

Submariner wrote in post #17905265
Thanks
I will photo my connector tomorrow
And up load an image - but looks like I have the new style

Think of your situation as two things:

1. Connection to the power supply via SATA connector
   
2. Connect of BluRay into external housing, which you purchased already
   

Thanks Wilt, much appreciated the detail.
Especially as Im have a right out time with this UEFI

Ref 1 #. Connecting the cases sata power and sata data.
Here is the only type of sata power connector I have from the PSU.

If the Icybox PS is 24 Watts ... if it ONLY supplied 12V and nothing else, your Pioneer needs 0.2A more at 12V than can be supplied by the PS. Not good.

The Pioneer, as you state, needs a total of 32.4W of power, between the 12V and 5V demands. So the Icybox's PS is 9W too small to meet the needs of the Pioneer.

Thanks Wilt, may know nothing about computers but I this worried me.

Use power supply that came with external case, go to computer store and get sata to esata bracket and esata cable, problem solved.

http://www.memoryexpre​ss.com/Products/MX1643​0

http://www.memoryexpre​ss.com/Products/MX1680​3

Hi
Thanks for the reply but I am confused, my problem is the power source aspect; being a requirement 12V 2.2 Amps, and 5 Volts of 1.4 Amps.

The Icybox has 12V 24 watts so thats 0.2A too little, and the 5V coming from USB 3.0 would only be 0.9A

Also the BluRay drive is Sata data not ESata.
Yes, I can convert the internal Sata cable to an Esata backplane card - but then how do I connect this eSata cable into the Bluray drive's Sata data socket.

Also if ESata is 300MB/s and USB3.0 is 640 MB/s. Why would I do that unless it delivered more than 2.2A 12V, and 5V 1.4A?

I have never concerned myself with power requirements of standard computer components/PC device (DVD, CD, HD, ZIP Drives, Blue-Ray, etc) If it is made for PC standard connections it should be fine. External boxes I have used have never not had enough power to run the PC device. Now let me qualify that, I buy all my components from trusted re-sellers. I have been a computer consultant for 20 years and just mount the PC device internally or externally and go! Not once in 20 years has a device just installed cooked a system after proper installation, that's not to say some have never failed out of the box and had to be replace, 5% are dead on arrival.

I really believe you are over thinking this, connect the blue-ray to your external box and see if it works, its a new device and you should have warranty if it fails. If you are not comfortable doing this then take it to a trusted computer store and have them do it!

Just checked web for multiple Blue-ray internal burners, 6 web pages with various burners do not list power requirements. Its just assumed if your putting it in a PC and your power supply has enough watts to handle another device it will work!!!

DO IT!!!!

Wilt wrote in post #17905731
If the Icybox PS is 24 Watts ... if it ONLY supplied 12V and nothing else, your Pioneer needs 0.2A more at 12V than can be supplied by the PS. Not good.

The Pioneer, as you state, needs a total of 32.4W of power, between the 12V and 5V demands. So the Icybox's PS is 9W too small to meet the needs of the Pioneer.

Submariner wrote in post #17907210
Hi
Thanks for the reply but I am confused, my problem is the power source aspect; being a requirement 12V 2.2 Amps, and 5 Volts of 1.4 Amps.

The Icybox has 12V 24 watts so thats 0.2A too little, and the 5V coming from USB 3.0 would only be 0.9A

Also the BluRay drive is Sata data not ESata.
Yes, I can convert the internal Sata cable to an Esata backplane card - but then how do I connect this eSata cable into the Bluray drive's Sata data socket.

Also if ESata is 300MB/s and USB3.0 is 640 MB/s. Why would I do that unless it delivered more than 2.2A 12V, and 5V 1.4A?

((12V * 2.2A) + (5V * 1.4A)) = (26.4W + 7.0W) = 33.4W total supply power needed by the BluRay device you own

24W supply adapter = 12V * 2A, with no headroom available for internal (within the external housing) voltage regulation down to 5V for an internal supply line on SATA power connector; power is undersized simply for 12V need, plus there is no headroom for the 5V portion of the needs for a SATA-connected device.

So the Icybox is underpowered for your current Bluray. In shopping around find an external housing that has a 35W-rated supply wall wart.