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Mar 18, 2016 05:06 |  #241

John Sheehy wrote in post #17939005 (external link)
I just checked out ISO 25,600 read noise and compared it to the 70D and 7D2 on DxOMark, and it seems to be same as the 7D2 at the pixel level, but potentially slightly better at the image level with more pixels.

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Thanks for the news. It looks like there is about a stop more pixel DR at ISO 100 than previous Canons ; not exactly exmor-like, but a good step forward, and the noise character looks excellent, like the 7D2. Pushing the black cloth in the mug as if it were ISO 4000 or so, It looks mostly black with vague hints of color noise, and I can see the individual rows of threads in it.

I find myself slightly disappointed that there's not more DR at low ISOs - but even a 4 stop push on the ISO100 raw didn't show any signs of banding (unlike a 7D MkI image). I guess that's partly down to the noise quantity not being that much smaller, but the noise character being much better (than the 7DI)?

The ISO3200 and 6400 images looked a fair bit nicer than equivalent 7DI shots; much less objectionable noise, but I wouldn't like to call it "n stops better" (whatever n may be).

In any event, I've got one on order as I'm sure it'll be a significant upgrade vs my partner's 60D. I have a suspicion (indeed, expectation, based on the specs) that the AF will better my 7DI.

This reminds me that I'd really like to see some qualitative DR testing of the 1Dx II ;-)a


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Mar 18, 2016 05:35 |  #242

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I guess I'm old school, but if I wanted video I'd get a video camera. Imagine, take out the video and there is room for extra dslr features.

The video feature in dSLR cameras uses the same mechanical pieces that are needed for still photography. And the software that enables video does not take up physical space in the sense that your comment suggests. Adding video to any dSLR broadens the appeal of the camera for video enthusiasts while at the same time causing no negative impact on people such as myself who do not use it.

If you don't want video, don't use it. But having it in your camera probably makes your camera cheaper (because offering a split line of dSLR with and without video would cost more) and does not hurt you.


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Mar 18, 2016 07:21 |  #243

sploo wrote in post #17939359 (external link)
I find myself slightly disappointed that there's not more DR at low ISOs - but even a 4 stop push on the ISO100 raw didn't show any signs of banding (unlike a 7D MkI image). I guess that's partly down to the noise quantity not being that much smaller, but the noise character being much better (than the 7DI)?

The noise quantity is what can be measured in a simple manner. Visibility of the same quantity of noise can vary greatly with character. The quantity at base ISO is in line with what other non-Sony sensors with on-chip column ADCs do, like the Nikon D3 and D4 cameras.

The ISO3200 and 6400 images looked a fair bit nicer than equivalent 7DI shots; much less objectionable noise, but I wouldn't like to call it "n stops better" (whatever n may be).

In any event, I've got one on order as I'm sure it'll be a significant upgrade vs my partner's 60D. I have a suspicion (indeed, expectation, based on the specs) that the AF will better my 7DI.

This reminds me that I'd really like to see some qualitative DR testing of the 1Dx II ;-)a

There isn't any standardized way of doing that, and I'd be worried that a standard would be rushed into and be incomplete if the wrong people start it.




  
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Mar 18, 2016 07:47 |  #244

Fred Miranda shows a DR at base ISO of around 13 (it is a bit lower than the Nikon d7200 (if i remember correcly) but nor far !
Canon seems to close the gap
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Mar 18, 2016 07:47 |  #245

what do you guys use to open the RAW files?

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Mar 18, 2016 08:39 |  #246

John Sheehy wrote in post #17939413 (external link)
The noise quantity is what can be measured in a simple manner. Visibility of the same quantity of noise can vary greatly with character. The quantity at base ISO is in line with what other non-Sony sensors with on-chip column ADCs do, like the Nikon D3 and D4 cameras.

There isn't any standardized way of doing that, and I'd be worried that a standard would be rushed into and be incomplete if the wrong people start it.

Indeed. Automating a measure of qualitative analysis isn't trivial.

You make a good point about the D3 and D4 though; in that whilst Canon don't seem to be quite up there with Sony (sensors), they are at least now becoming competitive with everyone else.


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Mar 18, 2016 09:03 |  #247

is it me or are those images soft, can't find a razor sharp focus point in that sample picture at f/8.
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Mar 18, 2016 09:18 as a reply to  @ evelakes's post |  #248

Which picture? Your link takes me to the gallery page.


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Mar 18, 2016 09:27 as a reply to  @ gabebalazs's post |  #249

Those gallery images at the top at 100 ISO.


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Mar 18, 2016 10:49 as a reply to  @ evelakes's post |  #250

I see. Jpeg or RAW? It's a well-known fact that Canon's recent jpeg processing is not very good at showing fine detail. Same with the 6D and 5D3.


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Mar 18, 2016 11:53 |  #251

evelakes wrote in post #17939495 (external link)
is it me or are those images soft, can't find a razor sharp focus point in that sample picture at f/8.
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http://www.imaging-resource.com …canon-80d/canon-80dA7.HTM (external link)

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Plenty looks sharp here http://www.imaging-resource.com …LLRES/80DhSLI00​100NR0.HTM (external link) (the circular scale on the right, and parts of the Samuel Smith bottle label). Remember that it's at 100%, and there are objects at different distances from the camera (but all likely fairly close to the camera).

I say that as a self-confessed pixel peeper with an ISO 12233 chart and an unhealthy penchant for testing lenses I acquire...


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Mar 18, 2016 12:16 |  #252

sploo wrote in post #17939636 (external link)
I say that as a self-confessed pixel peeper with an ISO 12233 chart and an unhealthy penchant for testing lenses I acquire...

Slightly off-topic, but have you ever noticed that ever of these words carry a connotation of perversion? I.e. pixel peeper, measurebator. I think pixel peeper was coined by Ken Rockwell too?


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Mar 18, 2016 14:04 |  #253

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Mar 18, 2016 14:11 |  #254

So far, looking at the limited samples, my enthusiasm is somewhat dampened. Perhaps my expectations were too high. I was hoping that the 80D would meet the 6D, but it seems clear that the 6D still has much lower noise and maintains much more detail at higher ISO.

Either way I need another body and there's enough improvement that the 80D makes sense vs the 70D. But I'm back to also considering a 6D in spite of its limitations.


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Mar 18, 2016 15:11 |  #255

bumpintheroad wrote in post #17939764 (external link)
So far, looking at the limited samples, my enthusiasm is somewhat dampened. Perhaps my expectations were too high. I was hoping that the 80D would meet the 6D, but it seems clear that the 6D still has much lower noise and maintains much more detail at higher ISO.

Either way I need another body and there's enough improvement that the 80D makes sense vs the 70D. But I'm back to also considering a 6D in spite of its limitations.

A 6D is still a full frame sensor. The 80D matching the 6D would have to be a quantum leap in technology (or 2-5 generation process).


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