80D vs 70D

I just read a DPReview hand's on with the 80D. Here it is:

http://www.dpreview.co​m …the-canon-eos-80d?slide=2

It says the 80D has a feature the 70D does not: continuous AF in LV. To go along with that is: tap-focus in LV. My 70D appears to do both. What am I missing? I have used continuous AF in LV with my 70-200 f/4L IS and 24-105 STM. Both are fast enough to shoot squirrels flitting around playing with their nuts. The article mentions AI-Servo in LV. AI-Servo vs. One-shot appear to make no difference on the 70D. Continuous LV-AF is controlled in the menus. Like I said, what am I missing?

If a squirrel is running towards you, can you take a burst and have it continuously adjust focus throughout the burst so the squirrel is in focus at frame 1 and frame 10, despite having moved 10 feet? My understanding is that even the 1dxii doesn't do that... It's brand new with the 80D

I may get the 80d.

its continuous AF in LV for still shooting at 5fps with full tracking. the 70D does not do this

The video stuff is pretty interesting if you're all about using a dSLR for video.

To me however, there are a few big changes to the 80D that let it step away from the 70D significantly.

1. Buffer is better, this matters if you are using that 7 FPS in RAW.

2. AF is a totally different beast. I don't care about how many cross points, I don't know anyone who does wildlife/birds with all those cross points. But what does matter is that the center cross points are dual ones, for precision with F2.8 or faster glass, and/or can be used in one-shot mode down to -3 EV (just like the 6D), and also, can be sensitive enough for F8 aperture glass (so making some lenses with TC options possible). That's a huge deal. That means much more accurate wide aperture prime autofocus. That means much, much superior low light autofocus. And that means more interesting combinations are possible with glass.

The rest is just slightly better, the same, or video related. And that's fine, because in a year or so, this will be under $1k.

Very well rounded camera if you think about it. It has AF abilities that are kin to the 7D2, 1DX series, 6D series, etc, and it's own video capabilities that are not on those other models, bundled into a decent body with decent build, good resolution and good enough ISO performance, with better than average FPS and all the little bells & whistles. Very well rounded, affordable camera.

Very best,

05Xrunner wrote in post #17905694
its continuous AF in LV for still shooting at 5fps with full tracking. the 70D does not do this

I think this may be the issue. LV tracks the squirrels just fine, but I was only taking one shot at a time, and that was at f/4-f/5.6. I wonder about something like the 135L @ f/2? I'm pretty sure the 70D isn't capable of 5 fps in LV. I'll have to wait for the weather to check that out. Indiana is a bit chilly yet.

The 70D works just fine for me in AI-Servo. I would like the f/8 AF for 100-400L + 1.4x, but I ain't paying $1200 for it. I'm not really interested in upgrading my apsc body. I don't use it enough to warrant that. If I'd gotten a 5DIII instead of the 6D, I wouldn't need an apsc body.

I might jump but I'm holding off to see how the 80D handles the bounce flash issue that Frodge found in the 70D.

Yep. That's the thing that will either do it or not for me John.

Besides the features, video, etc. there may be another significant difference between the 70D and 80D, which hasn't been 100% confirmed yet. And that is a new kind of sensor that has on sensor A/D conversion like the newer sony/nikon sensors do. So while I know it's a newer, 24mp sensor vs the 70D's 20mp, obviously different, it is not just a the same sensor as in the T6i/T6s (which are also 24mp).

So if it's true, and there are a lot of discussions about it analyzing the sensor schematics, the new 80D sensor may be a big leap ahead and may yield similar dynamic range to a Sony sensor. That would be a big deal and put the "Canon sensors are inferior to Sony's" arguments (mostly) to rest. The 1DX II's sensor has already been manufactured using Canon's new process and also looks like its an on-sensor ADC unit.

So I'm very much looking forward to the first RAW files coming out in a few weeks.

I think if Canon put the ADC on-sensor that someone would be bragging about it.

Logical thinking, however, there have been a couple theories why it's not highly bragged about. Patent laws, and also the fact that an affordable enthusiast body has it while even the 1Dx Mark I doesn't. Calling the new sensor revolutionary and a big leap would instantly "downgrade" the sensors in teh 5D3, 1Dx, etc.

But actually Canon does talk about it. The describe a new miniaturization manufacturing process and improved dynamic range.
You can check their promo stuff about the 80D for exact wording.

I thought the miniaturization was in reference to the spacing between the photosites on the sensor.

And reduced noise could be due to the switch to DIGIC 6.

Long discussion on the subject here:
http://www.dpreview.co​m/forums/post/57283561

Many people swear it is a completely different tech sensor that looks like the ones with on sensor ADC.

But of course we've seen Canon brag about 2 stop gain in noise handling in the 5D3 over the 5D2, where it was only in Jpeg, just like you referred to (better chip and jpeg processing). The actual RAW noise handling difference was much smaller.

I'd be happy with a full stop gain in raws, particularly if it also translated to cleaner blacks at lower ISO's.