Winning World Press Cameras

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Guess who's absent?

What is your vendetta against MILC? We get it, you're not a fan, doesn't change the fact that more and more people are every year.

https://photography-on-the.net …/showthread.php​?t=1452580

If I listened to MILC fans, then by their acounts, people have been abandoning DSLR in favor of MILC in "droves." This isn't the case...yet. DSLR's still serve their function for photojournalism, and for good reason.

And also, I don't have a vendetta against MILC, just acting as devil's advocate. Does MILC group think in a vacuum benefit everyone? Is a dissenting opinion so bad or should everyone think the same?

You posted the same thread with the exact same topic in two locations on the forum and within a couple weeks ago you posted a very similar thread... I'd say you have a vendetta, but call it what you want.

I personally just don't get why you care to begin with.

And others have posted things like "Nikon is feeding Canon" and "DSLR's are dead" type deals...so what's the problem if there's some balance and counterpoint? Or is "free speech" one-sided from your viewpoint as an MILC shooter?

If someone in the Nikon/Sony camp does something, it's fair, but if someone with the opposite viewpoint does it, it's "vendetta?" Please explain to me your reasoning. Honestly curious here.

Specifically, someone made the argument that MILC are automobiles, and DSLR's are horse-drawn carriages. I didn't see you condemning that, despite it being a more extreme statement.

Dont have to guess if you read the article:

Olympus, Apple, Hasselblad, Phase One, Ricoh, Leica, and Mamiya cameras were used by winners last year, but they were entirely absent from this year’s contest — Sony, Pentax, and Fujifilm took their spots.

I did read the article in its entirety before posting here, if you're implying that I haven't.

Sony RX100 if you read the actual models. 1 award/camera from each of those 3 companies. A7 series is absent. My theory is that it's a return to roots. Much like how DSLR's were touted for video but people have returned to large sensor dedicated camcorders / cinema cameras. There's technology and there's practicality of a trade / craft.

idkdc wrote in post #17908424
And others have posted things like "Nikon is feeding Canon" and "DSLR's are dead" type deals...so what's the problem if there's some balance and counterpoint? Or is "free speech" one-sided from your viewpoint as an MILC shooter?

If someone in the Nikon/Sony camp does something, it's fair, but if someone with the opposite viewpoint does it, it's "vendetta?" Please explain to me your reasoning. Honestly curious here.

Specifically, someone made the argument that MILC are automobiles, and DSLR's are horse-drawn carriages. I didn't see you condemning that, despite it being a more extreme statement.

The difference is that you have yourself personally started 3 threads on the same topic in the past 2 weeks... why?

I don't care what people use, it makes zero difference to me. I care when people spout BS statements like "a mirrorless camera will never do what a DSLR can" or "professionals don't use mirrorless", because that's obviously a bunch of bull.

I have absolutely nothing against DSLRs, I don't think they're going anywhere anytime soon and I even recommend them to many shooters often (depending on their needs), they just don't have a place in my bag for now.

EverydayGetaway wrote in post #17908519
The difference is that you have yourself personally started 3 threads on the same topic in the past 2 weeks... why?

Why not? Isn't the purpose of a forum to hold discussions?

Well, I never said any of that. I said that DSLR's are still the photojournalist's choice as of this year. That can change in the future, but it hasn't yet.

Yup, I agree with you. I wasn't directing anything towards you exactly, but to others who may see it as black and white. I think you and I both see it as grey.

idkdc wrote in post #17908512
I did read the article in its entirety before posting here, if you're implying that I haven't.

Sony RX100 if you read the actual models. 1 award/camera from each of those 3 companies. A7 series is absent. My theory is that it's a return to roots. Much like how DSLR's were touted for video but people have returned to large sensor dedicated camcorders / cinema cameras. There's technology and there's practicality of a trade / craft.

I'm no expert on statistical analysis, however I'm pretty sure that a sample size of 45 is pretty small to make any sort of conclusion based on these findings. Maybe the raw number of entries may give you a better idea on who is using what camera for this specific genre. One thing is for sure, is that IQ need not apply.

Charlie wrote in post #17908537
I'm no expert on statistical analysis, however I'm pretty sure that a sample size of 45 is pretty small to make any sort of conclusion based on these findings. Maybe the raw number of entries may give you a better idea on who is using what camera for this specific genre. One thing is for sure, is that IQ need not apply.

Sure, the sample size could be larger, but I think the point that some of the commenters are pointing out in the comments section of the Petapixel article is that these 45 winners didn't necessarily need mirrorless or any specific new technology to win; I think practicality came into play here to skew the results this way, as well as preconventions that resulted from Canon and Nikon's traditional professional services and support. I think yes, IQ and sensor quality is exactly the least of their worries. Other things like battery life probably come into play.

idkdc wrote in post #17908546
Sure, the sample size could be larger, but I think the point that some of the commenters are pointing out in the comments section of the Petapixel article is that these 45 winners didn't necessarily need mirrorless or any specific new technology to win; I think practicality came into play here to skew the results this way, as well as preconventions that resulted from Canon and Nikon's traditional professional services and support. I think yes, IQ and sensor quality is exactly the least of their worries. Other things like battery life probably come into play.

yes, and the only thing you can possibly come up from the results is that it's the photographer, not the gear, considering one of the winners being a gopro, and the 4 no data were probably cell phone.

The results really dont suggest much, however the entries would suggest what photojournalists like to shoot with, and that's about it.

Yes, and even then, the conclusion that it's the photographer not the gear, goes against the "DSLR is dead" and "eating lunch" argument. And yes, the entries suggest that photojournalists like to shoot with DSLR's, which means that they haven't "gone the way of the horse-drawn carriage," at least not yet.

And no data means no data. You can have EXIF stripped from any image.

Serious prosumer/professional MILC's are very early in the product life cycle so this isn't exactly surprising for 2015. I don't think anyone expects that they'll overtake DSLR's immediately....rarely do emerging technologies do.

The first true alternative to a prosumer/professional DSLR was the a7rII, and that hit the market in August of 2015. If we take this forum as a sample of the future-state, anecdotally we can see inflection point in the movement to MILC's occurred around the release of the a7rII....our little Sony section blew up in terms of participants and activity around that time and it continues to do so. If you look at a classic product life cycle curve, MILC's are very much in the early stages where the primary consumers are innovators/early adopters. As the technology and the market matures, we should expect the appeal to grow more broadly, which we're starting to see now.

At the end of the day though, I don't personally need to look at what other people shoot in order to validate my own decisions regarding my camera. That sort of mentality is more applicable to the consumer market, which doesn't always have the aptitude to know what they need or want....so they blindly follow brand and product perceptions. The only thing that matters to me, is that a camera sufficiently meets my own needs as a photographer, and has real benefits over the alternatives (DSLR's) that are relevant to my photography. No one buys a mirrorless camera in 2016 simply to fit into the status quo