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Godox X1 - strong enough to have a speedlite one top?

 
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Feb 25, 2016 16:07 |  #1

Basically I plan to put a 600EX-RT on top of a X1 ... and looking at a display unit in a store ... when a tried to flex the shoe mount with my fingers there was quite a big amount of movement ... would it be likely to break under the strain of a speedlite?
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Feb 25, 2016 18:16 |  #2

It's an accident looking for a place to happen IMO. The foot on the X1 is not strong enough to support the leverage and weight that is exhibited on it by the flash IMO.


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Feb 25, 2016 18:44 |  #3

agv8or wrote in post #17913063 (external link)
It's an accident looking for a place to happen IMO. The foot on the X1 is not strong enough to support the leverage and weight that is exhibited on it by the flash IMO.

Is it weaker than YN-622? I have flash/622 on top of my camera a lot and it feels very solid.




  
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Feb 25, 2016 19:21 |  #4

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Is it weaker than YN-622? I have flash/622 on top of my camera a lot and it feels very solid.

It is more wobbly to have a flash in the hot shoe of the X1 than either the YN622 or the Phottix Strato II. The X1 case is wide and the foot is mounted to the case so, it allows the case to flex more than the YN622 or Strato II, which have a narrow case. I suppose any of these combination could break just as easy as the other but, the X1 just feels a lot less solid. Using a flash in the hot shoe of the X1 kind of reminds me of these "Sway Pole" acts you see at the circus; ok it is not that bad but it is not solid feeling either.

Like I said it is an accident looking for a place to happen. Mark my words, one of these days someone is going to start a thread complaining how they broke their X1 trying to use a flash in the hot shoe and that the X1 is a piece of junk. My reply to that thread will be "Ron White called it right!". :-)


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Feb 25, 2016 20:34 |  #5

agv8or wrote in post #17913155 (external link)
It is more wobbly to have a flash in the hot shoe of the X1 than either the YN622 or the Phottix Strato II. The X1 case is wide and the foot is mounted to the case so, it allows the case to flex more than the YN622 or Strato II, which have a narrow case. I suppose any of these combination could break just as easy as the other but, the X1 just feels a lot less solid. Using a flash in the hot shoe of the X1 kind of reminds me of these "Sway Pole" acts you see at the circus; ok it is not that bad but it is not solid feeling either.

Like I said it is an accident looking for a place to happen. Mark my words, one of these days someone is going to start a thread complaining how they broke their X1 trying to use a flash in the hot shoe and that the X1 is a piece of junk. My reply to that thread will be "Ron White called it right!". :-)

Good to know. Thanks. A bit strange though because whenever I have AD360 in my hands I can't stop admiring the build quality of it. They should/will fix that I hope.




  
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Feb 25, 2016 21:08 |  #6

calico wrote in post #17913244 (external link)
Good to know. Thanks. A bit strange though because whenever I have AD360 in my hands I can't stop admiring the build quality of it. They should/will fix that I hope.

You can pull out on the X1 foot by hand and distort the case. A flash in the hot shoe has a lot more leverage than that.


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Feb 28, 2016 09:11 |  #7

xseven wrote in post #17912889 (external link)
Basically I plan to put a 600EX-RT on top of a X1 ... and looking at a display unit in a store ... when a tried to flex the shoe mount with my fingers there was quite a big amount of movement ... would it be likely to break under the strain of a speedlite?
Thank you for your input!

Personally, I'm done with the days of mounting a flash onto the hotshoe of a radio transmitter. Even if you don't get flexion and breakage, you still have the flash contact points rocking around in there if the system is mounted to a camera. This is at least one reason for the complaints of intermittent lost communication with several different brands.




  
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Feb 28, 2016 13:57 |  #8

Yes ... I believe you are right ... best option is to have only one brand and control the slaves from a radio-able master flash on hot shoe ... Time to sell some stuff! :)




  
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Feb 28, 2016 15:36 as a reply to  @ xseven's post |  #9

So true. It's ome pf the reasons I a, finding my side-saddle mount so helpful - less stress on mechanics and contacts, great visibility of controller's LCD. means of mounting an on-camera YN685. See TOYUG II p74.


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Feb 28, 2016 17:51 |  #10

If Godox built a decent professional shoe flash, with all the features of the X1 transmitter, then there would no need to mount flashes in the hot shoe of the X1 or mount transmitters in make shift side mounts. There is also the issue of multiple TTL devices when using Canon camera's. If you use the X1 in a TTL off shoe cord then your flash in the cameras hot shoe is going to have to be in manual mode unless you tape the TTL pins of the X1. This just seems like a lot to do for no more than you gain. I hate work arounds and this easily solvable if Godox would get off their cheap burro's and build a shoe flash with the features and functions that compliments their new 2.4G wireless system.

Send emails to godox@godox.com and demand a professional shoe flash that we can use "on camera", that utilizes all the features of the 2.4G wireless system, rather than this mickey mouse, ancient 580EX technology crap they're giving us now with the TT685 and soon to be released v860II. And while their at it they could put a decent swivel head on the thing rather than these gritty friction devices that all the cheap flashes are using now. Make the head to tilt rearward rather than forward so that when you are bouncing flash "on camera" you don't have to swivel the head all the way around forward just to switch from one side to the other. While there at it make it weather sealed and a screen that displays 5 Groups with a dedicated button to select each Group individually.


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