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Mar 07, 2016 21:14 |  #1

I was asked to shoot some headshots in an auditorium, on the stage they have a drop down white cyc fabric. I am trying for as close as possible white background for the shots. How does the cyc fabric absorb light? Would you back light it or would it be better to bring a roll of white paper?

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Mar 08, 2016 04:24 |  #2
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Ok, I'll ask. What is 'cyc' fabric?




  
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Mar 08, 2016 06:13 |  #3

If you want white then I would take a roll of white.

Do a few test shots against theirs when you get there and if you like the results, use theirs. If not, use your white.


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Mar 08, 2016 07:42 |  #4

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If you want white then I would take a roll of white.

Do a few test shots against theirs when you get there and if you like the results, use theirs. If not, use your white.

Good advice.
Test with their fabric, if it works then just leave the paper in the car.

I don't know why you wouldn't be able to blow it out to white. Being able to light it from behind is just a bonus.


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Mar 08, 2016 09:28 |  #5

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Ok, I'll ask. What is 'cyc' fabric?

I'll repeat the question - what is "cyc fabric"?


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Mar 08, 2016 09:47 |  #6

https://www.rosebrand.​com …644/128-Poly-Cyc-IFR.aspx (external link)

"A synthetic substitute for muslin without the wrinkles, Poly Cyc drapes and lights beautifully." it says.

Interesting.


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Methinks, as long as you blow out the background to pure white, why does it matter how it absorbs light? (Unless you're trying to figure out how much flash power you need?)

I'd probably be more concerned about how it reflects light, as this will determine how far away my subjects need to be from it, and/or whether to take a couple of large black foamcore sheets to use as flags (one to each side of the subject, just outside the frame).

EDIT: read the original post again. :oops: Well, in any case, I'd rather light the background from the front than from the back.


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Mar 09, 2016 13:32 as a reply to  @ Alveric's post |  #8

Sorry for the delay, thanks for the help. I tested the cyc with one light and it came out a bit grey so the roll may be an option. I was hoping not to have to purchase a new roll and do this with minimal lights. I do have the option of lighting from behind.

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Mar 09, 2016 19:09 |  #9

White is white. If something is white, it doesn't absorb visible light. If it did, it would not look white. Bringing in white paper in place of the fabric backdrop should not make any difference.

If it's coming out grey in the photos, you just don't have the ratio of subject to backdrop lighting correct. You should be lighting the backdrop 1 to 2 stops brighter than the subject. How much the backdrop lights spill side lighting onto your subject depends on: the ratio, the distance between the subject and backdrop, and what additional structures you have in place to flag off the backdrop lights (such as v-flats, or the use of gridded softboxes to light the backdrop). For a headshot, you probably don't want the backdrop lights hitting your subject at all, so flag them off or put distance between the subject and backdrop. When the backdrop lights sidelight your subject, you get more of a high-key look, like a cosmetics ad beauty shot, not a clear separation from the backdrop as in your profile pic.


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One white background setup:

IMAGE: http://diamantstudios.ca/Gemeines/Bilder/White_BG_setup_800px.jpg

That one isn't my setup. I shot that pic at a PhaseOne workshop, and I asked the photographer about it. He said he metered the subject for f/8 all around (meaning the octa –main light– was set to f/8 and the reflected light from the background –metered behind the model's hair– read f/8 too). As you can see, he was using two monolights to light the background; now, a meter reading for the background wouldn't read f/8, mind you, but at least f/16.

That setup yielded images like these:
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Yes, there's a certain amount of 'rim lighting' on the model; so, to avoid that, either move her more towards the front (the paper width might be a limitant in this case), or flag her with two large sheets of black cloth or foamcore –one on each side and a wee bit behind her, just outside of the frame.

BTW, that was a 107" roll of paper.

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Mar 09, 2016 19:35 |  #11

You haven't said what you're using for lights, but because this is just a headshot, you can get away with fewer lights than if it were a full body shot. You could put some manner of directional light--ideally diffuse and wide--on the ground just behind where you have the subject stand, aimed at the backdrop (to project a big spot centered at their head level), and not have to worry about flags. Then you just need one light plus reflector for the subject lighting, or two lights if you want stronger fill or a hair/rim light, etc. But you really only need one light to blast the backdrop, provided you have the power for it (doesn't usually take much to blow out an already white wall).


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Mar 09, 2016 20:00 |  #12

You have to light the white drop separately.




  
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Mar 10, 2016 07:53 |  #13

Promo headshots for my dance troupe, using a blown-out white paper backdrop.
We were going to use the large space in the dance studio, but it got booked at the last minute and we got bumped, so we went to the home of one of the performers.

I had the last few feet of my little roll of white paper, and three Speedlights. Not really ideal, but you gotta just make it work sometimes. By standing far away - that is, in the next room - and shooting with a long focal length, I can use a tiny backdrop to still get headshots and even 3/4 shots. This BTS shot is standing in the doorway to the next room, I took a few more steps back for the actual shots, and shot through the doorway.

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Results. Got a little bit at the bottom edge that's not blown out, I could have tilted the BG Light 1 down a little bit, or maybe clamped it to the underside of the mantel, or maybe turned up the power by a stop. I was afraid of cranking the power up any more because I didn't have any more room to move the subjects away from the backdrop.

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