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Mar 16, 2016 09:28 |  #16

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How will the affordable X-E2 compare in iso performance to the 6d?

I'm seriously considering a Sony A7s or A6300 as a casual camera for family documentation.

I'm currently shooting a Panny GH3 as a video/stills camera for good light outings. I even wished the GH4 would have clean high iso images at ISO 5000 in challenging light but the Raw files fall apart. Any sort of aggressive noise reduction makes plastic skin texture. My Oly E-m5 is a very nice stills camera great for "good light shooting". I let my 6, 9 yrs old daughters use my M43 gear as a learning tool for photography. The new M43 20mpx sensor seems to hit a wall in the physical limitations for ISO performance. Economically I may just buy a Panny GX8 for a new casual video rig that does not overheat shooting 4k.

My problem is that I want a decent video rig as well as good high ISO performance. This is where an A7s or A6300 seems to outperform the fuji system's AF tracking.

If I just settle for a stills camera what am I to expect with an X-E2? I highly doubt it can even match or even be close to a 5dmk2 high iso performance. Cost wise the X-pro2 is still well over 2 grand so this is quite an investment for a casual kick around camera. I'd really like to play with a fuji raw file to see how well I can push and pull the file. If the X-E2 cant truly hold it's own well over ISO5000 without falling apart I'll consider the fuji.

What's acceptable for high ISO ability is somewhat subjective, but I'm completely comfortable shooting with my X-E2 at 6400 ISO and even pushing the files somewhat beyond that in post (6400 is max for RAW). With my a7S I'm completely comfortable all the way up to 25k ISO and sometimes beyond that depending on the subject and light, I've kept shots that I'm happy with all the way up at 100k ISO with that camera, that's the main reason I'm not ready to go full Fuji yet. For just about any daily needs from a camera the X-E2 is more than enough in my opinion.


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Mar 16, 2016 11:35 |  #17

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What's acceptable for high ISO ability is somewhat subjective, but I'm completely comfortable shooting with my X-E2 at 6400 ISO and even pushing the files somewhat beyond that in post (6400 is max for RAW). With my a7S I'm completely comfortable all the way up to 25k ISO and sometimes beyond that depending on the subject and light, I've kept shots that I'm happy with all the way up at 100k ISO with that camera, that's the main reason I'm not ready to go full Fuji yet. For just about any daily needs from a camera the X-E2 is more than enough in my opinion.

For low lit gymnasiums you have zero issues shooting ISO 6400 without concerns of the Raw file falling apart????

This would be one situation I'd have with any camera when the Raw falls apart. Both my M43 gear shooting with no flash in the gymnasium makes that gear unusable.

If that is the case regarding Iso performance I'll be testing a fuji very soon. This is one reason why I'm don't mind purchasing an older A7s mk1 for casual shooting. I dont mind the Fuji "flavour" in colour.


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Mar 16, 2016 11:45 |  #18

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For low lit gymnasiums you have zero issues shooting ISO 6400 without concerns of the Raw file falling apart????

This would be one situation I'd have with any camera when the Raw falls apart. Both my M43 gear shooting with no flash in the gymnasium makes that gear unusable.

If that is the case regarding Iso performance I'll be testing a fuji very soon. This is one reason why I'm don't mind purchasing an older A7s mk1 for casual shooting. I dont mind the Fuji "flavour" in colour.

That's actually precisely what I use my Fuji for ;)

I coach gymnastics and I use the Fuji as my "meet bag" camera. It comes to every meet with me and usually I have a spare lens or two in another pouch. I like to use it for this purpose because I don't even notice the extra weight in the bag and I'm not worried about it getting tossed around a bit because it's such a cheap system (I paid $400 for my X-E2, it can be found for even less now).

Here's a few samples at various ISOs, I don't use noise reduction.

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Mar 16, 2016 12:02 |  #19

With how little you're using the Canon gear, I'd go with selling it too. It's great gear, but Fuji make some great lenses (for good prices) that it seems you'll be a lot more likely to use.


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Mar 20, 2016 17:22 |  #20

AlanU wrote in post #17936966 (external link)
... what am I to expect with an X-E2? I highly doubt it can even match or even be close to a 5dmk2 high iso performance. ... I'd really like to play with a fuji raw file to see how well I can push and pull the file. If the X-E2 cant truly hold it's own well over ISO5000 without falling apart I'll consider the fuji.

I had the 5D II. I have an X-T1 with the X-E2's sensor. I'd take the Fuji's high-ISO over the Canon. Imaging Resource has raw samples, as does DPR.




  
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Mar 20, 2016 21:27 |  #21

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I had the 5D II. I have an X-T1 with the X-E2's sensor. I'd take the Fuji's high-ISO over the Canon. Imaging Resource has raw samples, as does DPR.

Thanks for your feedback.

Today I took my kids to the Beaty biodiversity museum at the University of British Columbia. Lots of "specimens" of all kinds of animals and plants. I left my 5dmk2 thinking I needed more "performance" in the high iso dept. I brought my 5dmk3. I averaged ISO 25600 and the photos held up well considering canon's magenta shadows LOL!! This is where my 5dmk2 or fuji would not cut it. However this type of shooting environment is not very common.

The Sony A7S would have been been a weapon of choice.

I'm still deciding what to do for a casual camera. The XT10 is on my mind and I may pull the trigger in a couple of days.

hmmm


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Mar 20, 2016 22:22 |  #22

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Thanks for your feedback.

Today I took my kids to the Beaty biodiversity museum at the University of British Columbia. Lots of "specimens" of all kinds of animals and plants. I left my 5dmk2 thinking I needed more "performance" in the high iso dept. I brought my 5dmk3. I averaged ISO 25600 and the photos held up well considering canon's magenta shadows LOL!! This is where my 5dmk2 or fuji would not cut it. However this type of shooting environment is not very common.

The Sony A7S would have been been a weapon of choice.

I'm still deciding what to do for a casual camera. The XT10 is on my mind and I may pull the trigger in a couple of days.

hmmm

I would get a used X-E2 and then sell it if you decide it's not working out for you. I do that with any camera I'm not sure about, I think of it as a long term rental ;)


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Mar 22, 2016 09:54 |  #23

I made the switch from 5d3 to fuji xpro2. All lenses are going as body was sold today.

And, it was actually easy decision: iso performance is better on fuji (compared on 12800), faster burst rate (which helps on soccer & indoor soccer), smaller and lighter body+lens combo.
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Mar 22, 2016 13:55 |  #24

Well I had a chance to shoot with the 6D over the weekend for a bit, and I was reminded of how there are certain aspects of a DSLR I enjoy. Always happens when I contemplate giving up the DSLR and then I decide to shoot with it a bit.

I think money willing I will just maintain dual systems for the time being and see what shakes out. I am pretty good about limiting lens purchases to exactly what I need, so the overall kit won't be too overwhelming.

The camera I SHOULD get rid of is the SL1 as there's practically no purpose for it if I keep a 6D with the X-T10, but those things are so cheap now I might as well keep it around as a beater.




  
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Mar 22, 2016 21:20 |  #25

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I would get a used X-E2 and then sell it if you decide it's not working out for you. I do that with any camera I'm not sure about, I think of it as a long term rental ;)

I decided to test the "Fuji" waters and went to my local camera shop and bought an XT10 w/18-55.

I cant say much at this moment in time. Just on a little learning curve :)

So far with my limited experience I'm absolutely certain I cannot let my Canon go. However for a secondary system I think I will be pleased.


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Mar 23, 2016 04:06 |  #26

After working with my newest acquisition I'll have to say I was quite appalled with the aggressive NR fuji does to high ISO images to their jpg. The "plastic" skin is truly is horrific. I've read on the internet about this issue. This is definitely a real issue even when you do in camera -2 NR settings.

Thankfully I use raw in my workflow so I can always apply the film simulation in post using LR6.

The 18-55 kit lens is actually quite remarkable. I still have a lot of shooting to do to get the feel for the XT10.

I think any canon user that's owned a 5d classic can be familiar with the clunkiness of the fuji. I can totally see how the owner of a fuji camera can overcome it's quirkiness. However I admit I'm not the best to make such comments since I'm still adapting to this new camera system.

For still photography I can already see how many people appreciate the Fuji system.


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Mar 23, 2016 04:13 |  #27

I'm starting to see how these cameras (not just Fuji, smaller cameras or even Leicas for those who can) get you ... when I first got mine to try out I wasn't 100% convinced and I thought it would just be a secondary/travel camera. However, if you're not (regularly) doing paid work with Photography, this secondary/travel camera pretty soon becomes the one you reach for most of the time ... I've read a few cases of people then taking the little camera on jobs and that's when the bigger one becomes totally redundant.

I'm not quite at that last stage yet, and I think I would need a Fuji 35mm to cover the 50mm length, but I can sort of see it happening ... the Fuji is the camera I reach for if I'm not working.


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Mar 23, 2016 09:10 |  #28

I really hope fuji makes a 23/24mm lens similar to the 35 2.0


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Mar 23, 2016 13:42 |  #29

I think they call it the X100 :)

I bring my Fujis to work all the time, they are a pleasure to shoot with, although some clients wonder why I'm using a film camera for their shoot. Opens up a good conversation though.


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Mar 23, 2016 14:04 |  #30

True about the X100 but I would prefer the option to change lenses.


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