Godox X1 system integration thread

eventsof1768 wrote in post #18337814
hmm so is this a problem for me then?

I notice that on all my other godox products the FEC shows up

Which platform and which products? You are talking about when your products are set to Wireless Slave?

I shoot Canon and use the X1c and TT685's, V860II's, AD360II's, and AD600B's as Slaves. Non of them display any FEC sent to them by the X1. They only display their individual FEC which is set in the Slave flash itself.

They will display Manual flash power settings when used in Wireless Manual mode but in TTL Wireless they do not display any Global FEC or Group FEC set in the transmitter.

Lyndön wrote in post #18336223
This may be a silly question, but one I haven't been able to find the answer to yet.

I currently have an R2 transmitter and R2 receiver for Canon, along with the Xplor600. I just bought an Olympus OM-D which is supposed to have an R2 transmitter released soon (they already have an Olympus compatible R2 speedlite available for preorder).

The TT350-O can actually be used as an R2 transmitter. You won't have TTL, tho, until the AD600's firmware is updated to grok the Olympus X1 signalling. Not sure about HSS. Eventually, the X1T-O will be released, and it's likely the firmware updates will come out around that time.

Just me, but you might just try using your Canon gear on the Oly hotshoe. I use my Canon YN-622 gear on my Panasonic GX-7, and while I don't have TTL/HSS, I do have sync and manual power control. I'd guess that the R2/X1 gear would function similarly.

Uh... the TT350-O is very low-powered. It runs off 2xAA batteries, and is tiny. It's more like a 270EX. Might be better to go for a TT600 or V850II.

Just wait a year . Both MFT and Fuji X versions of Godox/Flashpoint's TTL/HSS flashes (TT685 and V860II) are in the pipeline, as are the X1T transmitter units and firmware updates for the Witstro AD units (like your Xplor 600/AD600) as well as the TT685/V860II to autoswitch. The picture should be similar to what happened when Godox added Sony compatibility to the R2 system. It's just going to take a while. I mean, the firmware update for TT685 flashes to accept commands from the X1T-S(ony) only came out last week.

See the overview of the X1/R2 system on flash havoc.

agv8or wrote in post #18337861
Which platform and which products? You are talking about when your products are set to Wireless Slave?

I shoot Canon and use the X1c and TT685's, V860II's, AD360II's, and AD600B's as Slaves. Non of them display any FEC sent to them by the X1. They only display their individual FEC which is set in the Slave flash itself.

They will display Manual flash power settings when used in Wireless Manual mode but in TTL Wireless they do not display any Global FEC or Group FEC set in the transmitter.

I see thats interesting.

I have a X1C, V860 (version 1), AD600 and AD200. The V860 and AD200 shows the FEC whilst the AD200 does not.

Hmm.

CyberDyneSystems wrote in post #18333355

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Thanks,

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owenegan wrote in post #18338706
Hmm.

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I tried it in an incognito window, and there it always showed at $199.

Can anyone confirm that they seem to be able to buy this thing for $129.99?

Thanks,

Owen.

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eventsof1768 wrote in post #18338632
I see thats interesting.

I have a X1C, V860 (version 1), AD600 and AD200. The V860 and AD200 shows the FEC whilst the AD200 does not.

I am assuming you ment to say AD600 instead of AD200?

Here is a picture of one of my AD600B's display right after being triggered by an X1c in TTL with Group A set to +2 FEC in the X1c. As you can see no where on the display does it show that this Slave flash was fired at +2 FEC. The only FEC in the display is the Individual Slave FEC which is set to +/-0.

I am really confused as to what it is that you say you are or aren't seeing in the display of the Slave flashes that you own so perhaps you could post a pic.

The AD600B as well as the AD360II display the Individual Slave FEC even when there is no value entered but other Godox flash units, such as the TT685 and V860II ( the AD200 may be one of them ), do not show this Individual FEC until there is a value entered.

I do not own an AD200 so I am making assumptions based on all those other TTL Godox products that I do own. You're not the first to claim that the AD200 does not display the FEC but we have to clarify just which FEC you and the others are talking about. If you and others are talking about the Group FEC, which is set in and sent by the X1 transmitter to a Slave flash, then I doubt that the AD200 would show this on it's display since no other Godox TTL flash that I own does ( you stated that you have two Godox flash products that do show the Group FEC sent by your X1c but again a pic would sure go along ways to clear up my confusion as to what you are describing ) . Now if you and others are referencing the Individual Slave FEC, which may or may not be displayed as I stated above, then maybe the the second image I posted of the AD200 Manual may or may not clear up any confusion there.

jeroendiks wrote in post #18335911
Hi, I’ve just bought the AD360(original, not v2), a X1 and XTR-16. Everything works fine up till 1/250. Hss is always out of sync. I have hss enabled on the flash and my 70D also shows the hss icon.

I’ve researched a lot before I bought and this setup should work with hss, saw a working example on YouTube(with a A7RII though). This makes me think I’m missing a setting on my 70D. Firmware is up to date on both the 70D and the X1. Anyone who van help?

I don't believe this is an issue with your camera or the X1 but rather with the AD360 itself. The issue stems from the way that Godox manages the flash power of the AD360 in HSS which does not provide a consistent flash output throughout the flash duration. In other words when the AD360 starts pulsing it's flash (or it's flash duration is altered) it starts off bright and then diminishes in brightness. This is most noticeable at shutter speeds just above max sync speed.

I have always questioned how Godox achieves HSS with the AD180's and AD360's. It's always been assumed that they pulsed the flash but I have always noticed this flash gradient. When I started using the AD360 with the X1, where I could use some flash sync timing, it became apparent that the flash output was not consistent throughout the duration of the flash. So the question becomes does the AD360 pulse it's flash during HSS or is the flash duration altered? I believe the flash duration is altered since there is a 1/8 flash power limitation in HSS. If you were pulsing the flash then you would think it would be much easier to do at lower power settings but if you were trying to alter the flash duration of an IGBT strobe then this would be much more difficult to do at lower flash powers.

So, you can solve this issue in two ways. The first is to increase the shutter speed above 1/1000 and adjust Aperture and/or ISO accordingly. The second solution is to go to CFn 00 in the X1 and dial in some flash sync timing. Start with 20 ms and adjust from there.

It's definitely a bad trigger or flash. The local distributor is looking into it with Godox, they have never seen anything like it. I get a full flash in frame at the 1/250 but just none at 1/320 and up. Not even a gradient, just no flash at all. Tested on several Canon bodies and received a new XTR, but same problem.

jeroendiks wrote in post #18348204
It's definitely a bad trigger or flash. The local distributor is looking into it with Godox, they have never seen anything like it. I get a full flash in frame at the 1/250 but just none at 1/320 and up. Not even a gradient, just no flash at all. Tested on several Canon bodies and received a new XTR, but same problem.

Are you actually getting NO flash at all from the AD360 (flash not firing) when the max sync speed is exceeded or just no flash exposure in the image?

Can you get access to another the X1 just to see if this issue resides in your particular X1? Do you have any TTL flash units that you are using with the X1 setup?

If you have some compatible TTL flash units, have you checked to make sure that Wireless TTL mode is functioning correctly and getting good TTL flash exposure?

If the flash is firing during the exposure, is there absolutely no flash exposure visible in the image at all shutter speeds above max sync and at all useable flash power settings in HSS?

Do a test with the AD360 in non HSS mode (H mode not turned on) and set the Group of the AD360 in the X1 to 1/1. You should get the better part of the image covered with flash exposure at all shutter speeds. At 1/2 power you should see an area of flash exposure through the middle of the image but you will have to dial in a value of some where between 30-40 in CFn:00 in the X1.

The flash is firing, just when I go from 1/250 to 1/320 and up I get no flash exposure. The flash itself is firing, even at HSS speeds.
No access to another X1. It's a simple setup just the AD360(version 1), with XTR-16 receiver and the X1 trigger. No TTL involved, just manual.

Though the flash is always firing, there is absolutely no flash exposure visible, starting from 1/320, at all power settings even 1/1.

I'll try the non HSS test. I have tried several values for CFn:00. At 1/320 I get an ok flash exposure if I set the delay to 25. At 1/500 and up it's an unusable partial exposure, no matter how I set the delay.

There defiantly something wrong with either the flash or the trigger. In this example the Streaklight(same as the AD360) is working fine in HSS at 1/4000.

https://www.youtube.co​m/watch?v=SqAroJ-lfc0&t=346s

So I have picked up some R2 items from Adorama, 2 flashes, 2 xtr16s receivers for my AD360 flashes, and a X1C transmitter for times I want to use the 2 flashes remotely. My issue is that I cannot turn off the ad360 from the x1c, the transmitter shows that the group is off, but the flash still fires. Jimmy Ho posted a youtube video describing this very issue. I hope it is a firmware thing but this was a used item from Adorama.

The other issue is that I can change the xtr16s to any group at all, and the x1c still fires it. Using the group settings on the godox flash works fine in controlling the xtr16s, it is only an issue when using the x1c.

I can dig thru this thread to see if this has been discussed and fixed, but hopefully there is just a quick "it's broke" or "update the firmware" answer.

EDIT: Just updated the X1C-t to version 19. Functionality is different than before, but still when I turn off a group that is attached to the XTR16S to my AD360, the flash isn't set to off, like the flash unit controller will. The flash still fires, despite the X1T showing the group turned off. sigh....

Sadly, it looks like you have run into a problem that is known to some, and has not been addressed.

http://flashhavoc.com …gers-for-canon-announced/

...then in your browser page search type in "off group" and you'll see it is being asked for again and again.

It is the communication between the X1T and the XTR-16 receivers where this specific issue exists. I could theorize it has something to do with the AD360 manual legacy units,. but it'd just be supposition.

Can you instead of turning off the group, drop the power level on the AD360 down until it is off? (I know this is not the same thing, but might be better than no remote alternative) Or do you end up stuck @ 1/128? (or whatever the lowest fraction is)

What a pain,. I guess I've never fielded the AD30s and not wanted them firing, but obviously that was just luck.

I assume that any of the ETTL units would eliminate the issue,. but that's not going to help when you own the old manual units.

CyberDyneSystems wrote in post #18350514
Sadly, it looks like you have run into a problem that is known to some, and has not been addressed.

http://flashhavoc.com …gers-for-canon-announced/

...then in your browser page search type in "off group" and you'll see it is being asked for again and again.

It is the communication between the X1T and the XTR-16 receivers where this specific issue exists. I could theorize it has something to do with the AD360 manual legacy units,. but it'd just be supposition.

Can you instead of turning off the group, drop the power level on the AD360 down until it is off? Or do you end up stuck @ 1/128? (or whatever the lowest fraction is)

What a pain,. I guess I've never fielded the AD30s and not wanted them firing, but obviously that was just luck.

I assume that any of the ETTL units would eliminate the issue,. but that's not going to help when you own the old manual units.

If I use the flash as controller, I can turn the settings to an OFF setting, or I can disable the group, and the flash responds. There is no OFF on the X1C, so the lowest setting is 1/128. The only option is to use the disable, but that doesn't translate to the flash as being OFF.

Since the flash works perfectly with the XTR16s and the AD360, I have to put the blame on the X1C. Fortunately I only paid $23 for it.

I have 2 AD360s, and there could be times where I want to turn off one, but perhaps I can live with 1/128, the amount of light would be quite small. If I am in reach of the strobe, I can turn off the battery power too. I will often have the flashes up about 10' on a stand, making it hard to work the controls on it directly. The battery is always in reach though.

https://www.youtube.co​m/watch?v=fwZeMCKYUXA

There is sort of an off, it's just not listed as being "off" see this video.

Weird,. and he is using the XTR16 of another size and shape on older 433MHZ ETTL flashguns,.
When he is in manual it's behaves like your problem. in ETTL it all works.

Lastly, another possible workaround,. the XT16 (the 2.4ghz version of the same single contact transmitter that came with the AD360 manual units,. will let you set a group to "off" via reducing power. I would need to test to see if the setting woudl "stick" .. or if the X1 would simply set it right back when you released the shutter.