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May 09, 2017 21:08 as a reply to  @ post 18350520 |  #991

Yes I had seen that, and that is close to my issue, but setting the other group to ETTL doesn't work at all. This was from over a year ago, and months ago people were complaining, but nothing from Godox on this. That sucks, but it is a pretty minor thing I guess. I will just remember to turn off battery power to the flashes if I need them off when using the transmitter.

EDIT: Per the help of another member, the work around for now is to half press the test button after making changes to the groups on the XTR16s receivers. That will resync the settings over, and then the AD360 will set itself to the OFF setting when disabling that group. Now to test the other issue of being able to fire the AD360 no matter what group it is on. Still a bit of a hack, because I don't have to do this with the flashes.

EDIT: The other issue is still there. If the AD360 thinks it needs to fire, it doesn't matter what group the XTR16s is, when I fire the X1C, the streaklight fires.


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May 09, 2017 21:23 |  #992

OK, two things.

I have my AD360 / XTR16 set to group A.

When I set the mode on group A to "--" and I trigger the X1, it triggers the flash once, then sets itself to off, just as I would want. It stays off as long as the null mode "--" setting is on the X1.

If I press mode again and go back to Manual " M 1/128", the first trigger it does not fire, but it does set it back to on + 1/128 and then triggers on the second press.

So it looks like it may be a problem with your X1 or firmware.


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May 09, 2017 21:24 |  #993

lol, I was testing while you were posting, so I can confirm what the other m,ember said. That does in fact work, as I described above!

Which makes me wonder what the issue is over on Flash Havoc?


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May 09, 2017 21:26 |  #994

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OK, two things.

I have my AD360 / XTR16 set to group A.

When I set the mode on group A to "--" and I trigger the X1, it triggers the flash once, then sets itself to off, just as I would want. It stays off as long as the null mode "--" setting is on the X1.

If I press mode again and go back to Manual " M 1/128", the first trigger it does not fire, but it does set it back to on + 1/128 and then triggers on the second press.

So it looks like it may be a problem with your X1 or firmware.

Are you using the test button to test trigger the flash, or using the camera? I can go back and try that again with the camera. 1/2 press of the test button after setting the XTR16 groups to a value, off or otherwise, will reset those to the proper values. I have firmware 19, what is your firmware? (turn off the X1, hold mode, then turn it on to see the version #)


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lol, I was testing while you were posting, so I can confirm what the other m,ember said. That does in fact work, as I described above!

Which makes me wonder what the issue is over on Flash Havoc?

Half pressing the test button to force resyncing the settings to the XTR is a hack though. I don't have to do this with the Godox flashes. The Godox flashes and X1 transmitters should act basically the same way. At least I have a workaround for the more pressing of the 2 issues. Still not sure why I can set the XTR to any group, and the transmitter still triggers the streaklight. Strange, but not as big an issue.

Now if I can get my 580EXII flashes sold, and the 622 units, I can pick up at least one AD200.


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May 09, 2017 21:33 |  #996

Yes, I was testing only using the test button,. just put it all on camera and now I see the problem.


However, the group issue I am not getting.

Right now I have XTR16 set to group A
X1 has group A set to "--"
X1 has group B set to "m 1/64"

When I trigger via 7D2 shutter, the AD360 does not fire, it's "off"


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May 09, 2017 21:36 |  #997

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...Still not sure why I can set the XTR to any group, and the transmitter still triggers the streaklight. ....

If the group is not set to "--" on the X1, is the X1 not telling all five groups to flash when you trigger?
I am missing part of what you are trying to say somewhere.


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Yes, I was testing only using the test button,. just put it all on camera and now I see the problem.


However, the group issue I am not getting.

Right now I have XTR16 set to group A
X1 has group A set to "--"
X1 has group B set to "m 1/64"

When I trigger via 7D2 shutter, the AD360 does not fire, it's "off"

Try setting the AD360 to a manual setting, test fire, then move the group on the XTR to something else other than what the X1 thinks that flash is on, and hit the test button. With mine, the AD360 still fires.


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May 09, 2017 21:54 |  #999

It's the test button again to get it to "read" the new groups setting.
But yes, your right about the behavior,. .

If I set it to a group that is off,. "--" it will keep firing until I press the test button.

Likewise if it is off and I set it to a group that is still on,., it will stay off until I press the test button.

It all seems part and partial to the same problem,. ie: the X1 does not seem to "tell the whole story" to the XTR16 unless the test button is used to do it. Apparently when all is set up and shooting, it only needs part of the story to do that job,,. but asking it to change settings other than power, is another thing all together.


If you set it to a group that is not controlled by the X1 (0-8 for instance) it also just keeps firing as it was last set. But I have no idea what 0-8 are for. If it's set to A-E which are controlled by the X1, it will follow the X1 settings AFTER I hit the test button.


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May 09, 2017 22:01 |  #1000

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Try setting the AD360 to a manual setting, test fire, then move the group on the XTR to something else other than what the X1 thinks that flash is on, and hit the test button. With mine, the AD360 still fires.

If the AD360 displays "OF" it will not fire (or should not fire) regardless of whether you press the shutter button, X1 "TEST" button or the AD360 "TEST" button. If it displays a power setting then it is going to fire at that power setting. If the AD360 displays "OF" and it is firing then you have an issue with the flash.

If you are using the X1 Manual mode (non GR Mode) then you cannot turn an individual Group "OFF" and if you are using a pre 2012 DSLR then you cannot use the Wireless GR Mode.

You must have the Manual only (non TTL) Godox Speedlites? The M-OFF is "Master OFF" (Master flash does not fire). Only the non TTL Speedlites have this setup in Wireless Master where the Master flash has it's own Group. The Canon TTL versions in Wireless Master are part of Group A but you can disable the flash from firing. Either way when M-OFF is selected in the Manual only version or if the flash is disabled in the TTL version then both are functioning as transmitters only.


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May 09, 2017 22:10 |  #1001

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If the AD360 displays "OF" it will not fire (or should not fire) regardless of whether you press the shutter button, X1 "TEST" button or the AD360 "TEST" button. If it displays a power setting then it is going to fire at that power setting. If the AD360 displays "OF" and it is firing then you have an issue with the flash.

- I set the AD360 XTR16 to group A
- I set the X1 to 1/64 on group A
- The AD360 honors the setting change
- Test firing, the AD360 fires as expected
- I change the XTR to group E (which shows --- on the X1)
- I half press the Test, the XTR red light doesn't light up, press Test all the way, the AD360 fires

Like I said, this is more minor, when laying out the lights for a shoot, I would get all the groups laid out and I would typically not change the groups during the shoot. I still don't think it should be necessary to half press the test to make the AD360 go to OFF vs just setting it and having it honor immediately like any other setting, or the way the Godox flash controller works.


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May 09, 2017 22:16 |  #1002

TeamSpeed wrote in post #18350592 (external link)
- I set the AD360 XTR16 to group A
- I set the X1 to 1/64 on group A
- The AD360 honors the setting change
- Test firing, the AD360 fires as expected
- I change the XTR to group E (which shows --- on the X1)
- I half press the Test, the XTR red light doesn't light up, press Test all the way, the AD360 fires

When you switch the XTR16 to Group E and half press the X1 "TEST" button does the AD360 display "OF"? If it doesn't then your X1 and XTR16 are not communicating and the flash will continue to fire at what ever flash power is displayed (in this case it should still be firing at 1/64 power).


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May 09, 2017 22:17 |  #1003

Just FYI, when I do the same test exactly as you describe,. the "test" button sets the AD360 off,.

Make sure the X1 is not too close to the receiver,. that can cause problems.


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May 09, 2017 22:24 |  #1004

Something is amiss then with mine. When I change the XTR to a different group, and half press the test, the red light no longer lights up on the XTR and the AD360 does not go to OFF. Perhaps I need to send this back to Adorama, and get a different one.


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May 09, 2017 22:26 |  #1005

When you change Groups on the XTR16 to a Group that is set to "OFF (--)" in the X1 you have to half press the X1 "TEST" button and then release it in order to transfer the "OFF" setting to AD360. The AD360 should now display "OF". If it doesn't then you have a communication error between the X1 and the XTR16. If you half press the "TEST" button and then continue to press it all the way this can sometimes result in a communication error between the X1 and the XTR16 and the flash will fire with that press of the "TEST" button. If the flash now displays "OF" then it will not fire with any subsequent presses of the "TEST" button. If the AD360 does not display "OF" then then you have a communication error.


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