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Jul 23, 2019 01:01 |  #3511

LJ3Jim wrote in post #18898165 (external link)
Michael -- you've indicated that you hand-hold all of your macro shots. What is your technique for the MP-E 65? I haven't had much success with mine unless I use a tripod and a focusing rail.

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I've never used the MP-E on a tripod and I don't even have a focusing rail. I hold the camera with my right hand and support the lens with my left hand. I try to rest my left hand or elbow on something, e.g. my leg if I kneel or sit in the grass. When shooting insects on flowers or leaves, I often try to hold the flower steady with my left hand while resting the lens on that hand/wrist. When doing that, I try to slowly move or turn the flower to compose the shot. That obviously only works on insects that hold still for a moment (these bees didn't!). Some insects let me grab and move/turn the flower they're sitting on, some won't.
Other than that, I delete lots of OOF shots :lol:


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Jul 23, 2019 03:57 |  #3512

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I've never used the MP-E on a tripod and I don't even have a focusing rail. I hold the camera with my right hand and support the lens with my left hand. I try to rest my left hand or elbow on something, e.g. my leg if I kneel or sit in the grass. When shooting insects on flowers or leaves, I often try to hold the flower steady with my left hand while resting the lens on that hand/wrist. When doing that, I try to slowly move or turn the flower to compose the shot. That obviously only works on insects that hold still for a moment (these bees didn't!). Some insects let me grab and move/turn the flower they're sitting on, some won't.
Other than that, I delete lots of OOF shots :lol:

do you have any pictures of your flash set up? at those slow SS lighting has to be a huge factor! You macro work is more then good enough where you can be selling tutorials. Between composition, focus, lighting and your post processing are all are spot on!


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Jul 23, 2019 10:02 as a reply to  @ lijoec's post |  #3513

I totally agree! Awesome work, Michael.




  
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Jul 23, 2019 10:12 |  #3514

Michael456 wrote in post #18898371 (external link)
I've never used the MP-E on a tripod and I don't even have a focusing rail. I hold the camera with my right hand and support the lens with my left hand. I try to rest my left hand or elbow on something, e.g. my leg if I kneel or sit in the grass. When shooting insects on flowers or leaves, I often try to hold the flower steady with my left hand while resting the lens on that hand/wrist. When doing that, I try to slowly move or turn the flower to compose the shot. That obviously only works on insects that hold still for a moment (these bees didn't!). Some insects let me grab and move/turn the flower they're sitting on, some won't.
Other than that, I delete lots of OOF shots :lol:

Thanks! I really prefer to handhold all of my cameras but the MP-E 65 has been a challenge. I'll try your suggestions. They sound promising!


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Jul 23, 2019 12:18 |  #3515

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do you have any pictures of your flash set up? at those slow SS lighting has to be a huge factor! You macro work is more then good enough where you can be selling tutorials. Between composition, focus, lighting and your post processing are all are spot on!

Thanks!
This is my current setup that I use with the MP-E:


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IMO using a flash is essential with the MP-E. You really need it to freeze motion at these magnifications and you have to get so close that you block out most of the natural light. I use the Yonguog YN24EX twin flash (way cheaper than the Canon) and these diffusors:
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Before getting the diffusors I used various quick and dirty self-made ones which also worked well enough.

Most of the times, I use this setup with the "normal" macro lens as well. For e.g. flowers or dragonflies, i.e. when I'm not getting super-close, I often use natural light only, without flash.

Before getting the Yongnuo flash I used this setup:
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I still use it sometimes with the normal macro lens, but for the MP-E the twin flash makes getting light on the subject easier. The normal speedlite with the mini softbox also has advantages over the twin flash: The two flash heads of the twin flash often create two reflections in an insect's eye, which looks a bit weird. Using the single flash with softbox does not do that.

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Jul 23, 2019 17:53 |  #3516

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Thanks!
This is my current setup that I use with the MP-E:

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IMO using a flash is essential with the MP-E. You really need it to freeze motion at these magnifications and you have to get so close that you block out most of the natural light. I use the Yonguog YN24EX twin flash (way cheaper than the Canon) and these diffusors:
POST 18566619

Before getting the diffusors I used various quick and dirty self-made ones which also worked well enough.

Most of the times, I use this setup with the "normal" macro lens as well. For e.g. flowers or dragonflies, i.e. when I'm not getting super-close, I often use natural light only, without flash.

Before getting the Yongnuo flash I used this setup:
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POST 18419028

I still use it sometimes with the normal macro lens, but for the MP-E the twin flash makes getting light on the subject easier. The normal speedlite with the mini softbox also has advantages over the twin flash: The two flash heads of the twin flash often create two reflections in an insect's eye, which looks a bit weird. Using the single flash with softbox does not do that.

You would laugh at mine, it's a pringles can on top of a canon 430II:mrgreen:g:mrgreen:


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Jul 23, 2019 21:51 |  #3517

lijoec wrote in post #18898776 (external link)
You would laugh at mine, it's a pringles can on top of a canon 430II:mrgreen:g:mrgreen:

Why would anyone laugh? For years my diffuser was tissue paper wrapped around the flash and held in place with an elastic band. Whatever works.

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Jul 24, 2019 00:29 |  #3518

Yeah, no reason to laugh at all. Many ways to skin a cat and as Rod said, whatever works!


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Jul 24, 2019 08:49 |  #3519

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Jul 25, 2019 00:46 |  #3523

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That looks very clean and detailed for ISO 6400!!!


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Jul 25, 2019 07:07 |  #3524

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Love the blurred tree trunk in the foreground as well as the light on the owl with it's shadow on the tree. Gives the photo a 3-dimensional quality.


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Jul 25, 2019 14:09 |  #3525

LJ3Jim wrote in post #18898529 (external link)
Thanks! I really prefer to handhold all of my cameras but the MP-E 65 has been a challenge. I'll try your suggestions. They sound promising!

Forgot to add:
I try to hold my breath when composing a shot, especially when I can't rest my left on anything. At higher magnifications (beyond 1:1) that really helps sometimes to avoid camera shake and get a good composition.


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