Probubly the 500th 6D vs 7DII Thread

STIC wrote in post #18013207
I get that, but, editors are very keen to point out ANY imperfection in an image (even when it won't impact on the printed image) and you often get on better with them if you keep your images clean...

I do think it's about time the camera companies started reigning in the High ISO's though, and gave us the options at the other end...

The other end, though, doesn't give a lot of us the ability to maintain the shutter speeds necessary for shooting longer focal lengths, in less than ideal lighting conditions. There is a whole range of venues for action/sports and nature (birds/wildlife) where we need to be able to maintain shutter speeds of 1/500 or greater to get sharp images that being stuck at ISO 400 or lower would simply make impossible.

For static shots, where longer shutter speeds are fine, I can certainly see where there might be value in ISO <100, but there shouldn't be any reason we ought to be expecting it to be an either/or scenario.

Snydremark wrote in post #18013238
For static shots, where longer shutter speeds are fine, I can certainly see where there might be value in ISO <100, but there shouldn't be any reason we ought to be expecting it to be an either/or scenario.

I agree...but, that seems to be exactly where we are...

ISO100 at lowest end of scale, ISO52000 or higher at other end...REALLY?

Surely we could drop the high end to 10,000 (if that's what it takes to add low ISO, and it probably doesn't even need to be), and throw in a true ISO50, maybe even an ISO25 (why not, it's no more ridiculous than the high ISO's that are already there).

STIC wrote in post #18013256
I agree...but, that seems to be exactly where we are...

ISO100 at lowest end of scale, ISO52000 or higher at other end...REALLY?

Surely we could drop the high end to 10,000 (if that's what it takes to add low ISO, and it probably doesn't even need to be), and throw in a true ISO50, maybe even an ISO25 (why not, it's no more ridiculous than the high ISO's that are already there).

Yeah; I *believe* some of the Nikons drop to either 50 or 25...but I don't how much that truly gets used nor do I quite understand what the actual technical requirements are for the tradeoffs to do so.

STIC wrote in post #18013256
I agree...but, that seems to be exactly where we are...

ISO100 at lowest end of scale, ISO52000 or higher at other end...REALLY?

Surely we could drop the high end to 10,000 (if that's what it takes to add low ISO, and it probably doesn't even need to be), and throw in a true ISO50, maybe even an ISO25 (why not, it's no more ridiculous than the high ISO's that are already there).

ISO 10,000 isn't enough... again there is nothing at the high end that is taking away from the low end. It is not like "since you have ISO 16000, you cannot have ISO 25".

Just because you don't need high ISO doesn't make high ISO ridiculous and unnecessary. I personally don't need ISO 50 or even 100, but I don't call it ridiculous to have it.

The other thing is that as tech comes along that makes the higher ISOs possible, the lower ones get better as well. So, 400 on a sensor capable of 10000+ is generally cleaner than 400 on a sensor that maxed at 6400. Which may also be a part of why there doesn't seem to be a drive to lower the floor on that setting.

STIC wrote in post #18013256
I agree...but, that seems to be exactly where we are...

ISO100 at lowest end of scale, ISO52000 or higher at other end...REALLY?

Surely we could drop the high end to 10,000 (if that's what it takes to add low ISO, and it probably doesn't even need to be), and throw in a true ISO50, maybe even an ISO25 (why not, it's no more ridiculous than the high ISO's that are already there).

I use ISO 50 on my 5DIII for static long exposure landscapes. to be honest I dont see much difference between it and 100 ISO

Wow, sorry for the absence.. I fell quite ill and fell a few times... Recovering at the moment still

I went and checked out the D500 the other day, just for curiousity sake, It was quite nice but I certainly dont feel "wow must switch" when i handle it.. Besides I have so much nice Canon glass

a couple points on the low ISO thing, iirc high ISO performance is determined by the "standard" base ISO in some cases, a more efficient sensor that naturally gathers more light and thus requires less amplification for high ISO, which means less noise...

A lot of good advice, the only thing I would add is that if you can afford the 5DIII, then don't even consider the 6D, having owned both, the 5DIII is so much better, primarily due to the AF, my keeper rate shot up, but also the amount of keepers due to the increased frame rate, dual cards is also a real boon for me, shoot JPEG for snaps quick reviews on the SD, and RAW on the CF if there's a prime capture that I want to work on. I loved my 6D, took some great shots, but since upgrading I haven't looked back for a second.

TeamSpeed wrote in post #18011933
I am in the same boat. I picked up a 7D2 last fall, and I have pulled out the 5D3 twice since, once for Christmas portraits, and also for a senior shoot. However, I know for both, I could just use the 7D2.

The fully working auto ISO in manual mode (ie. AvTv mode) on the 7D2 is one of the main reasons, but also, the multi frame burst at high ISO where the camera merges the shots together yields very clean high ISO shots on the 7D2, better than the single shots from the 5D3. Not good if there is movement, but otherwise great.

aladyforty wrote in post #18012045
Not sure I understand that??? did not know it existed

Sorry, I'm late to the party. It is called Multi-shot Noise Reduction (MSNR) on the 6D. It is under High ISO Speed NR menu. Icon is 4 stacked frames with 'NR' in the center. It is disabled if raw is enabled.

try shooting indoor basketball with almost no light and then high ISO is not ridiculous, it's a necessity really. I too sometimes cannot go below 6400 or else they are way to underexposed at the high shutter speed necessary to stop action.

I am not considering the 6D and right now I'm leaning towards the 7DII. If price were closer I would probably just get the 5dIII even though it doesn't have some of the same features ie FPS however they are not close in price and the 7DII for my use seems the only choice.

I am very inexperienced however I've learned quickly that when selecting a body, and lenses, it really depends on what you will be using them for that really makes the decision. I ONLY shoot indoor basketball and I have never really been able to go below 1000, it rare that I can go below 2000-3000 or so. Also a lens that is not at least f2.8 is completely useless indoor for moving subjects.

KenjiS wrote in post #18149126

IMAGE LINK: https://flic.kr/p/MS16​vL Surprise?! by Trevor H, on Flickr

Well after 3 months (most of which i was sick) I was surprised to see this here today

Excited to go give it a try, Charging battery right now.. Also need to go pick up an SD card

Congrats.
Do yourself a favour and just buy Sandisk Extreme pro so you'll have blazing fast read/write speeds.

enjoy the 7dmk2. Depending on your type of shooting you may love it or find it just a "good" tool.

I seldom touch my 80D and I'd grab my fuji or 5dmk2/3 for better IQ.

Tools are tools use them all to your best of your capabilities!!

AlanU wrote in post #18149385
Congrats.
Do yourself a favour and just buy Sandisk Extreme pro so you'll have blazing fast read/write speeds.

enjoy the 7dmk2. Depending on your type of shooting you may love it or find it just a "good" tool.

I seldom touch my 80D and I'd grab my fuji or 5dmk2/3 for better IQ.

Tools are tools use them all to your best of your capabilities!!

Funny enough I went over to best buy and got one of these:

http://www.bestbuy.com …fcode=pg174626&​ksdevice=c

Going from my circa 7 year old 32GB CF card (Which i paid something in the neighborhood of $200 for!) to this has been shocking, to say the least.. My import speeds in lightroom went up dramatically compared to the old Transcend CF card or my Sandisk SD card from my GX8...

As for photos, all ive found are spiders and one squirrel to shoot so far, The next thing i really need is a new strap, thinking of one of the Peak Design ones.. my old one the attachment points are worn out and in danger of coming apart, Not something i want on my brand new $1500 camera... I'm processing through my first batch of photos, ive been very busy lately unfortunately

So far my impression of the 7DII is "Its everything I loved about my 7D turned up to 11" the AF is better, the image quality is LEAGUES better, it handles in my hand better, the controls are better, it has a locking mode dial, and the rear screen is nice.. The 9 point surround mode is VERY good i learned for tracking said squirrel...

I honestly didnt realize how huge the upgrade was from just playing with one in the store..

Oh and BTW my Best Buy has a 5D Mark IV with the 50mm f/1.2L bolted on it, Im completely in love with the 50mm f/1.2L, next time i am there i wanna try it out on my 7DII though... I bet ill love it just as much

KenjiS wrote in post #18153756
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So far my impression of the 7DII is "Its everything I loved about my 7D turned up to 11" ...

Yup, very much!

I'll throw a +1 out there for the PD shoulder straps; I love the system and find that their idea for connectors is the simplest, easiest way to secure the camera without interfering with your ability to use a tripod, etc.

KenjiS wrote in post #18153756
Funny enough I went over to best buy and got one of these:

http://www.bestbuy.com …fcode=pg174626&​ksdevice=c

Going from my circa 7 year old 32GB CF card (Which i paid something in the neighborhood of $200 for!) to this has been shocking, to say the least.. My import speeds in lightroom went up dramatically compared to the old Transcend CF card or my Sandisk SD card from my GX8...

As for photos, all ive found are spiders and one squirrel to shoot so far, The next thing i really need is a new strap, thinking of one of the Peak Design ones.. my old one the attachment points are worn out and in danger of coming apart, Not something i want on my brand new $1500 camera...

So far my impression of the 7DII is "Its everything I loved about my 7D turned up to 11" the AF is better, the image quality is LEAGUES better, it handles in my hand better, the controls are better, it has a locking mode dial, and the rear screen is nice..

I honestly didnt realize how huge the upgrade was from just playing with one in the store..

Oh and BTW my Best Buy has a 5D Mark IV with the 50mm f/1.2L bolted on it, Im completely in love with the 50mm f/1.2L, next time i am there i wanna try it out on my 7DII though... I bet ill love it just as much

Buy a 50L new so you can at least return it if you discover the dreaded focus shift.

For the price you pay for a Sandisk Extreme pro it's a cheap bargain in the US!!