What's so good about macs besides retina display?

Yup, even older 2011-2013 MacBook pros are worth keeping around. They still hand software very well.

my main computer is my 2011 iMac 21.5". Maxed the ram to 32GB and SSD. Gonna be around for a few more years still.

ShotByTom wrote in post #18401605
My response was my opinion, based on many years of experience with computers. I have a 5 year old iMac that runs photoshop, lightroom and all other apps (Mail, iMessage, Spotify, etc..) at the same time, doesn't miss a beat and will still sell for $900. The only additional money I have spent on it was when I went to 16gb of RAM, and Adobe CC. So, I spent $1500 for that iMac in 2012, I'll sell it for $850-$900 when I get a new iMac for my daughter. That puts my cost at around $900 for 5 years use of a computer. The only reason I will be upgrading it is that my daughter wants 5K, and I spoil her.

An equal spec PC is not cheaper than an iMac, a decent 5k monitor alone will be $1200+, Windows 10 Home is $110 (MacOS High Sierra will cost nothing). If you've ever intalled a peripheral on a Mac, you will never go back to a PC!

No reason to get pissy. Most people can't spend the money on an Apple product. Get what works for you. If you want to buy a computer to play games on, Apple probably isn't for you. If it's a business decision, then Apple makes sense.

Who's getting pissy? I find that usually it's the person who's "pissy" who makes comments like that

My PC is made up of parts that are all about that old and it'll outrun most Mac Pros out there... and I have about $1400 invested in it with water cooling, 2 GPU's and 2 SSDs. It'll last me easily another few years, or likely far longer since I'll just upgrade whichever components I need to rather than replacing the entire PC (as Apple forces you to do with non-upgradeable hardware).

It's amusing to me that you think a computer running 4-5 very low CPU usage apps is some sort of huge feat... heck, the latest Intel i3's can do that no problem.

Hmmm... http://www.dell.com …0&VEN3=27330282​0912718232

https://www.kinguin.ne​t …l-in-one-software-bundle/

Windows 10 peripherals are literally plug and play. You plug it in, the computer finds and downloads the driver right away... good to go. I put a random garage find WiFi card into my friend's Windows 7 PC and we couldn't find the driver no matter what we did, looked all over for one that would work with no luck... then upgraded to Windows 10 and it found it and installed it without us even realizing it had done it... don't knock it until you try it

I love how in one paragraph you're saying Apple computers aren't anymore expensive than an equivalent PC then in the very next paragraph you literally say that "most people can't spend the money on an Apple product".

We can pretend it "makes sense" for business all day, and heck, it might depending on what your business is and what your use is for the computer (time is money and ease of use certainly matters to the layman), but to say that they're just outright "better" than PC's for any one of the reasons you stated is just false. It had a shred of truth several years ago, Windows 10 has drastically reduced any advantage Apple had (coming from a former total Apple fanboy, for OS reasons).

AzzKicker wrote in post #18401608
Yup, even older 2011-2013 MacBook pros are worth keeping around. They still hand software very well.

peeaanuut wrote in post #18401613
my main computer is my 2011 iMac 21.5". Maxed the ram to 32GB and SSD. Gonna be around for a few more years still.

And? So would any equivalent PC... what's your point? My CPU came out in 2011 and I guarantee it'll run circles around your Mac.

Mac does make very pretty laptops, I just wish they'd stop gimping them from the factory with soldered in RAM and limited ports.

EverydayGetaway wrote in post #18401635
Who's getting pissy? I find that usually it's the person who's "pissy" who makes comments like that

And? So would any equivalent PC... what's your point? My CPU came out in 2011 and I guarantee it'll run circles around your Mac.

This comment makes no sense. How could the same CPU run circles around the same CPU? You are so window blind that you dont even make sense in your arguments.

peeaanuut wrote in post #18401639
This comment makes no sense. How could the same CPU run circles around the same CPU? You are so window blind that you dont even make sense in your arguments.

The fact that you think any CPU that came out in 2011 is the same sums up exactly why I have an issue with people who blanketly say that "Macs are better".

Best case scenario what your CPU is; http://ark.intel.com …r-6M-Cache-up-to-3_70-GHz

My CPU; http://ark.intel.com …-15M-Cache-up-to-3_90-GHz

I didnt say that all CPUs are the same. You obviously cant even read properly. But you said your PC CPU would run circles around mine. Without even knowing what mine is you make a blanket statement. Comparing apples to apples (no pun intended) is the only argument to be made here and you have no argument. Also, at no point did I say Macs are better. I said in my experience no windows machine has lasted this long and that is simply a fact of my experience. Again you have gone windows blind.

peeaanuut wrote in post #18401642
I didnt say that all CPUs are the same. You obviously cant even read properly. But you said your PC CPU would run circles around mine. Without even knowing what mine is you make a blanket statement. Comparing apples to apples (no pun intended) is the only argument to be made here and you have no argument. Also, at no point did I say Macs are better. I said in my experience no windows machine has lasted this long and that is simply a fact of my experience. Again you have gone windows blind.

Actually, that's almost exactly what you said...

peeaanuut wrote in post #18401639
This comment makes no sense. How could the same CPU run circles around the same CPU? You are so window blind that you dont even make sense in your arguments.

With the beauty of Google it takes all of thirty seconds to figure out what CPU you have (see my previous post), there's nothing "blanket" about my statement, I even compared apples to apples, so how am I the "blind" one?

Well, I'll just say this and let it go...you listed a 1440 display, not a 5K. Windows 10 is absolutely NOT plug and play, some peripherals are, but many are not. A simple bluetooth speaker was a PITA to install on our Windows 10 laptop for work. For my MacBook Pro, I just held the pairing button on the speaker. When I installed an old Epson 7600 24" Printer...don't even get me started! I have never had to do anything to install any peripheral on a mac. Photoshop and Lightroom are low CPU users???

I've never used anti-virus, never had a virus of any kind, don't have to buy Microsoft Officer, upgrades or additional software. No additional money is needed, no upgrades needed, how is that not a good business decision?

I would encourage you to step down off your soap box, go back and read the original question, and see how you have contributed to the conversation with your incessant hatred for Apple.


As for the original post: You can get an i7 iMac for $2,299, but you don't need an i7, an i5 will work just fine for processing photos. MacOS doesn't get bogged down like Windows, the only time I turn off my iMac is when the power goes out, and it has never locked up. Don't get the additional RAM from Apple, you can get it on Amazon for 1/3 the cost that Apple will charge.

I edit on my desktop box and I don't game. Having said that, my older laptop is running Linux. It was free. It's fast, secure, was already pre-loaded with software and thousands more apps can be freely installed with a few clicks, updates are always free and everything, the OS and the software together, updates with a couple of clicks. It does evening I need and it looks really nice too. And no, I don't have to know how to do command line stuff either. Sure wish Adobe would write for Linux.

ShotByTom wrote in post #18401658
Well, I'll just say this and let it go...you listed a 1440 display, not a 5K. Windows 10 is absolutely NOT plug and play, some peripherals are, but many are not. A simple bluetooth speaker was a PITA to install on our Windows 10 laptop for work. For my MacBook Pro, I just held the pairing button on the speaker. When I installed an old Epson 7600 24" Printer...don't even get me started! I have never had to do anything to install any peripheral on a mac. Photoshop and Lightroom are low CPU users???

I've never used anti-virus, never had a virus of any kind, don't have to buy Microsoft Officer, upgrades or additional software. No additional money is needed, no upgrades needed, how is that not a good business decision?

I would encourage you to step down off your soap box, go back and read the original question, and see how you have contributed to the conversation with your incessant hatred for Apple.


As for the original post: You can get an i7 iMac for $2,299, but you don't need an i7, an i5 will work just fine for processing photos. MacOS doesn't get bogged down like Windows, the only time I turn off my iMac is when the power goes out, and it has never locked up. Don't get the additional RAM from Apple, you can get it on Amazon for 1/3 the cost that Apple will charge.

I apologize, I listed the wrong link. Seems the Dell 5K monitor has possibly been discontinued, strange.

Windows 10 has been entirely plug and play in my experience after building several PC's for friends with various components, some (like my friends PC I mentioned above) were built entirely with basically junk-bin parts, everything worked without fuss. I'm honestly very surprised to hear you had that much trouble with any given peripheral to the point it makes me wonder what they were... anything I've tried hooking up to my PC has worked without issue, including cheap random chinese stuff from Amazon/eBay.

PS and LR are low CPU users in that they rely almost entirely on a single thread, it's very easy to run multiple apps with LR and PS on a multithreaded system.

I've never had a virus, and malware bytes and Panda are both free and all you need, or just be smart and don't download random torrents or use a browser without a popup blocker (which is true for Macs too). As for Office; why you'd need to upgrade the Office suite annually is beyond me, but I don't use it aside from Word (which I greatly prefer over Pages), but if you take value in all that freeware, more power to you.

There's no "soap-box" here, just me giving an opposing view to this mentality that Macs are inherently "better" than PC's. I also certainly don't have an "incessant hatred" toward Apple or anything else really... I do take issue with a company purposefully and intentionally handicapping their products from the factory so they can upcharge you for relatively cheap things like RAM and hard drives.

What does you leaving your computer on have to do with anything? Lots of people leave their PC's on all the time. I turn mine off because there's zero reason to leave it on, it takes less than a minute to boot and be fully ready to go (I assume any Mac with an SSD is the same way). The only times my PC ever "locks up" are due to my own fault as I tend to overclock my CPU to get every ounce of power I can from it, but now that it's stable at 4.8ghz it hasn't crashed in a good while... at base clocks it never crashed (nor have any of my friends who don't overclock at all).

My main point in arguing is that most of the "PC's are bad because of X/Y" responses I read are based either on hear-say or old experiences. I resisted getting into PC's for a long time because I was so sold on my Macs and had such bad experiences with older PCs. Turns out all that stuff I had to deal with in the past is no longer an issue, Windows 10 was the best thing to happen to PCs.

I attach the same odds and ends to my Mac that I do to my Windows 10 box for the most part, and have had to go digging to manually install drivers for the exact same bits of hardware on either system.

Both systems get used for similar things, and it is the MacBook that locks up and often needs a hard restart about 10 times as often as the windows 10 desktop.


My Windows 10 box is older, cost less, runs faster, and has actually been upgraded several times over the years as compared to the MacBook Pro. My Mac does win on portability as compared to my windows box, but that's not much of an advantage if I'm sitting at the desk to work.

Like I said...what did you contribute to the original post? Nothing. You've been arguing for 8 freaking pages, and have contributed NOTHING to the original question! Get over yourself, everyone doesn't have to be like you!

ShotByTom wrote in post #18402296
Like I said...what did you contribute to the original post? Nothing. You've been arguing for 8 freaking pages, and have contributed NOTHING to the original question! Get over yourself, everyone doesn't have to be like you!

Are you joking? Are we reading the same thread? Literally the original post...

jay25 wrote in post #17975732
I'm trying to switch from pc to mac. However when I read the specs is not worth the cost. For example I can build my own pc for about $1200.00 with a core i7 processor and 16gb ram. I'm trying to comprehend why $3000.00? I tried over and over again. Is like buying a z06 corvette for $45000.00 and then trying to justify paying for a Acura $65,000.00. Mac displays are awesome I love them but man they are charging a grip and only using i5 Intel processors.

Mac guys help me understand what I'm not understanding? I never ever used a mac.

Every post I've made elaborated on how I agree with the OP's first statement. I even cited various links, experiences and examples. Most would call that contributing to the original question.

Maybe instead of getting emotional about your disagreement with my assessments, try to actually consider what I'm saying and realize that it's perfectly OK to disagree with me. Doesn't mean I shouldn't post. At no point did I tell you (or would I tell you or anyone else) to stop posting your counter points to my argument... because that would defeat the purpose of having a forum.