80D - Does this have issues bouncing flash?

WilsonFlyer wrote in post #18002860
So is the damn thing broke or not? A simple yes or no will suffice.

Anybody? Thanks.

you can't even get a simple yes or no for the 70D how do you think it'll be that easy for a new 80D...

The 70d has the problem. I've tested it myself. I would never buy that body.

Frodge wrote in post #18003018
The 70d has the problem. I've tested it myself. I would never buy that body.

yeah, you tested it once...i own it...i can pop the flash exposure compensation up 2/3 and it's fixed...i don't think that's the same problem as others are claiming if it's acting different on every shot

Owning it just proves the mistake of buying it. Thebptoblem exists. I was fooling with it again a couple weekends ago. The problem is there, and it cannot be repeated in any way on the 3 bodies in own.

Edit: sorry for spelling mistakes. Silly cellphone.

Frodge wrote in post #18003237
Owning it just proves the mistake of buying it. The ptoblem exists. I was fooling with it again a couple weekends ago. The problem is there, and it cannot be repeated in any way on the 3 bodies in own.

I agree with Frodge. I owned the 70D. I thoroughly documented (photos & text) its inability to properly exposed bounced flash with 3 different EX (270 II, 430 II, 580 II) units. Canon agreed with me. I sent the camera in for service. I got it back as 'within specifications'. I re-documented (photos & text) everything. I sent it in again. I got it back again as 'within specifications'. It still doesn't work. This problem is rampant on Canon's own forums. The last time I checked, Canon had not yet responded to it. I managed to get Bryan Carnathan to contact Chuck Westphal (sp?) directly about this. No reply. (All of this is documented in another thread about 70D bounce flash. I believe Frodge started that one.)

Some background:
I've been using cameras and flash since the middle '60s.
I've been using SLRs and shoe-mounted flash since 1976.
I've had these Canon bodies, none of which exhibited this problem: Elan 7, T90, Elan 7n, Elan 7Ne, EOS 630, 450D, 500D, 60D, 7D, 5Dc, 6D, 1D, 1DII, 1DIII.

Additional info about the issue:
It is worse at longer focal lengths.
It is worse with slower lenses.
It is worse when stopping down.
It is variable and unpredictable.
I make no claim about all 70D bodies.
My 70D could not properly expose bounce flash reliably.

EDIT:
Here is the original '70D bounce flash' thread: https://photography-on-the.net …read.php?t=1442​842&page=1

Frodge wrote in post #18003018
The 70d has the problem. I've tested it myself. I would never buy that body.

Yeah? Well that's real nice but this thread ain't about the 70D. That applies to the 4-5 post directly above this one also.

I was responding the the original question. Do you have an 80d? If so, does it have the bounce problem? You do realize that your comment in saying the thread is about the 80d is just as out of place as the comments above this one, correct?

WilsonFlyer wrote in post #18004397
Yeah? Well that's real nice but this thread ain't about the 70D. That applies to the 4-5 post directly above this one also.

Curious post. One thing it says very loudly, and very clearly, is that you have not read this thread. Had you bothered to read the thread, you would know that the 70D is the sole and entire BASIS for the question posed in this thread. That point is made, and strikingly plainly, in the first post in the thread. The 70D is the point of this thread.

so....... "80D - Does this have issues bouncing flash?" can anyone directly answer THIS question?
The 70D has issues, we get it. The horse is very dead, please stop beating it.

BlakeC wrote in post #18004459
so....... "80D - Does this have issues bouncing flash?" can anyone directly answer THIS question?
The 70D has issues, we get it. The horse is very dead, please stop beating it.

Agreed. But, please know that it is the dead-horse resurrectors causing the issue. The OP knows of the issue. Several users with 70D bodies are aware of the issue. It is the folks who either don't have a 70D, or don't have the issue, who keep propping up the dead horse. Should we start beating the resurrectors instead of the horse?

Bassat wrote in post #18004466
Should we start beating the resurrectors instead of the horse?

yes

Lol. Really.

I have the Garth Brooks concert tonight..BUT I do plan to test the bounce flash tomorrow and comparing my 80D & 70D.

Bassat wrote in post #18004452
Curious post. One thing it says very loudly, and very clearly, is that you have not read this thread. Had you bothered to read the thread, you would know that the 70D is the sole and entire BASIS for the question posed in this thread. That point is made, and strikingly plainly, in the first post in the thread. The 70D is the point of this thread.

Maybe so, but the thread title asks the question with regards to the 80D. The initial post simply provides a point of reference because of the cameras' lineages. I have read, and continue to follow the thread in its entirety.

The vast majority of the thread attempts to re-hash the (apparent) problem with some 70D production models when the purpose of the thread was to address the question as to whether the problem even exists on the 80D. To the best I can tell, this question STILL has not been answered. Seeing no declaration to the contrary, it is logical to deduce that, at least at this point in time; the problem does not appear to exist on the 80D.

I own both cameras. I stick a 480ExII (?) on them when I need a flash and point it at an angle towards the ceiling or sky and let it fly. I don't shoot with a flash that much. That's why I own low-light cameras, in the hopes that I don't have to use a flash at all. I honestly don't think I would know the problem if it bit me squarely in the ass to begin with. Flash photography is an entirely different animal with an entirely different skill set to which I have never acclimated myself beyond sticking it on and using it in auto when I have to. I suspect that I stand with 80%+ of the 70D and 80D owners in the world.

I am intellectually curious as to whether the problem propagated to the 80D. I'd like to know, in simple terms and without reading 500 pages on a forum, what the problem even is.

I'm going to sell my 70D because I have more cameras than God should allow any one man to have and I certainly don't need all of them. One of my weaknesses in this hobby and a hobby is all this is to me. I don't make a living at it. I bought the 80D to essentially upgrade the 70D so my 70D has served its purpose. I would like to know whether the 80D seems to have the issue, and I think we would all agree, hopefully; that a similar discussion about the 70D does and should belong in the threads already established for that purpose.

BlakeC wrote in post #18004459
so....... "80D - Does this have issues bouncing flash?" can anyone directly answer THIS question?
The 70D has issues, we get it. The horse is very dead, please stop beating it.

To me, no response is an implied "no" but we must understand that there simply may not be enough in the field yet to draw a positive conclusion, especially considering also the insignificant percentage of owners that then frequent forums such as this.

Until someone here demonstrates the problem on their personal camera, we simply should assume that the issue (whatever it was to begin with) was addressed in the 80D. There's simply no reason to assume anything different at this point IMO.