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Apr 29, 2016 21:29 |  #46

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Real high end computers can use multiple cards that can cost as much for each one as the Mac an PC computers being compared by SLR lounge,
Here is a workstation using a couple of AMD Firepro 16GB cards. http://www.amazon.com …ds=i+-x2+mediaworkstation (external link)

Some of these high end computers have as much as a Terabyte of ram in them, I think to max out the HP Z840 with a Terabyte of ram cost over $36,000 for the memory alone.

Man, where were you when Submariner was looking to burn money for his workstation? :lol:


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Apr 29, 2016 22:40 |  #47

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Man, where were you when Submariner was looking to burn money for his workstation? :lol:

:lol:bw!:lol:


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Apr 30, 2016 05:20 |  #48

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Not for 2d work. I've run two systems next to each other as photography work stations, both i7's both with 16GB of ram, one running Intel HD the other running an Nvidia GTX670, both driving multiple large monitors. There was NO difference in performance.

Not really.

InDesign CC for example, due to the limitation of the integrated GPU, it doesn't support drag & drop feature. To place an image on an object, you can't just drag the image file from explorer to InDesign document, you have to use PLACE command (CTRL+D).

With dedicated GPU, you can drag & drop files to the document as normal.


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Apr 30, 2016 06:43 |  #49

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Not really.

InDesign CC for example, due to the limitation of the integrated GPU, it doesn't support drag & drop feature. To place an image on an object, you can't just drag the image file from explorer to InDesign document, you have to use PLACE command (CTRL+D).

With dedicated GPU, you can drag & drop files to the document as normal.


Got a link or some documentation of that happening?

I can't find anything from Adobe about GPU support in InDesign, and we used to build lay ups for print by dragging and dropping images into InDesign on a computer that was running an Integrated Intel GPU.


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May 01, 2016 09:01 |  #50

Moppie wrote in post #17990321 (external link)
Got a link or some documentation of that happening?

I can't find anything from Adobe about GPU support in InDesign, and we used to build lay ups for print by dragging and dropping images into InDesign on a computer that was running an Integrated Intel GPU.

It's my own experience. I have Surface Pro 2 & custom built PC with Adobe CC installed.

Both can run InDesign CC but SP2 with integrated GPU couldn't drag & drop, whilst my PC with GTX 750 ti could.

Removed my GTX 750 ti & use HD4400 graphic, same experience cannot drag & drop.


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May 06, 2016 21:06 |  #51

Apple really has name brand power to it.

A female friend wanted a laptop and I began looking at nicely specked Windows systems for her. Her friends on the other hand truly are apple sheep. None of them understand computers but recommend anything with the Apple logo. I'm not against apple but I am against that kind of reasoning.

Anyways I told her that I don't know how to use apple and her being extremely computer illiterate I told her that every time she needed problem solving then she would need to take it in and have apple tech help her. So she buys a mac. A few years later there was a business program file that she needed use. I knew how to work it on the pc but didn't know what mac would use. She asks me for help and I'm like really don't know If you have this program or what program mac uses. She complains for a bit and I finally look at her computer. SHES USING WINDOWS. Went to a shop after a few days of owning the laptop and had Windows installed. I just shook my head and thought of the wasted money she spent


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May 07, 2016 07:31 |  #52

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Went to a shop after a few days of owning the laptop and had Windows installed. I just shook my head and thought of the wasted money she spent

It isn't uncommon for Mac users to be running Windows as a virtual machine or on a Bootcamp partition: especially those who are former Windows users and who have made investments in Windows software, or those who use Windows in a professional capacity and sometimes need to bring work home.

Developers are certainly paying more attention to OSX, but when I switched there were three programs (and a couple of my Steam games) that I couldn't get substitutes for that I absolutely needed: RowPro (stationary rowing software), my income tax software, and DeepSkyStacker. RowPro now has a version for OSX, but the others still aren't available.

With the Mac OS being Unix based, it is really easy to work with for anyone with a background in Unix or Linux. My familiarity with Linux was one of the reasons I switched.


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May 07, 2016 14:56 |  #53
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It isn't uncommon for Mac users to be running Windows as a virtual machine or on a Bootcamp partition: especially those who are former Windows users and who have made investments in Windows software, or those who use Windows in a professional capacity and sometimes need to bring work home.

Developers are certainly paying more attention to OSX, but when I switched there were three programs (and a couple of my Steam games) that I couldn't get substitutes for that I absolutely needed: RowPro (stationary rowing software), my income tax software, and DeepSkyStacker. RowPro now has a version for OSX, but the others still aren't available.

With the Mac OS being Unix based, it is really easy to work with for anyone with a background in Unix or Linux. My familiarity with Linux was one of the reasons I switched.

so the total 1-3% of population


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May 07, 2016 15:08 |  #54

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so the total 1-3% of population

Wow. That is much lower than what I thought. It used to be that anyone worth his/her salt when it came to computers knew Unix and Linux. But, I guess things change over time.


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May 07, 2016 16:01 |  #55

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Wow. That is much lower than what I thought. It used to be that anyone worth his/her salt when it came to computers knew Unix and Linux. But, I guess things change over time.

Linux/Unix are still big in the engineering world especially for embedded controllers, servers, anyone seriously working cloud or big data stuff.


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May 07, 2016 16:40 |  #56

The only hardware where mac seem to have a big advantage is 13" laptops that are portable with long battery lives. My criteria for buying a laptop were 16gb ram, greater than 6 hours of battery life, SSD and it to not kill my back. 16gb of ram is something very unusually for 13" laptops and was the must have because of the software I use regularly (Revit and Inventor from Autodesk as well as other cad/engineering software). The two options I found were Alienware and Mac as Dell still didn't produce a 16gb variant of the xps 13. So I brought a macbook pro 13, dual booted it and primarily work in osx but reboot to Windows for the necessary software. I agree that apple can be incredibly expensive but certain machines of there's are very powerful. Even now the alternative solutions are the same money!

I would be interested to see how the Mac pro performs at the same price point as the custom PC. $3,500 will get you 3.7gHz quad core xeon and Dual firepro D300's, 32gb of ram and 256gb of SSD. I think the imac's biggest problem in all situations is the performance is massively compromised to reach the form factor that it has, particularly from graphics/processor heat perspective.




  
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gjl711 wrote in post #17999037 (external link)
Linux/Unix are still big in the engineering world especially for embedded controllers, servers, anyone seriously working cloud or big data stuff.

yes, but on world population those numbers are tiny, and people that know linux/unix would preffer to use linux then apple closed up garden.


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May 09, 2016 15:57 |  #58

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I think that this has been pretty well known for a long time. Mac's appeal has never been value.

This really depends on what one considers to be "of value".
I am someone who really needs a lot of instant, on-demand customer support. With Apple products, I get Apple Care, which means that any time I have a problem I just call Apple Care and I get to talk to a real live person. This person actually lives here in the US, and speaks English as a first language, and does not have any kind of difficult-to-understand accent.

Whenever I can't figure something out I just call the number and a person walks me thru the issue step-by-step. The last time I did this it was to get help downloading the Photoshop Elements program that I had just bought. I tried to download the program on my own, but kept getting this stupid error message from the Adobe website. Whenever I get any kind of error message, that's it! I really don't know how to respond to an error message because they invariably say something that I do not understand - so that is when I call Apple for help.

The Apple support person spend an hour and 40 minutes on the phone with me, because she wanted to be absolutely sure that the Adobe program fully downloaded and that I understood where to find the Photoshop icon on my screen, so that I could open it. The support person was personable, friendly, and conversational, as well as being helpful and knowledgable. THIS is the primary reason that I choose to buy Apple products; all the speed in the world won't do me any good if I don't have any idea what things to click on to get a program to work.

This extremely high level of customer care and support represents VALUE to me. So I buy Apple because of value. Apple continues to give me the things that I value the most, hence they get my continued business.

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