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Jun 29, 2016 06:52 |  #136

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i have seen a few 1DX owners now saying how the D500 out focuses their 1DX and we all know the Nikon sensors outclass anything Canon has yet to put on the market so what Jim did post is not off the mark

Canon users don't like to hear this kind of news but it is what it is, the D500 also does not have one complaint about focus problems like the 7D2 is still plagued with, the D5 not one complaint with it unlike the 1DX2 with its corrupt files, camera freezes, soft images


cant say I have heard any issues with the d500 yet but the D5 is not complaint free to my knowledge, as for focus issues with 7DII, what focus issues, Ive never had any, there are probably a few duds out there but by all means not all 7DIIs have issues

This thread was meant to be about D500 vs 7DII and one would expect a newer model with newer tech to be a bit better. but as i have already said, there is no photo Ive seen yet from D500 that I cant get the same sort of result out of my 7DII, its just that the D500 has probably made it easier to do

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Jun 29, 2016 07:14 |  #137

To be fair, it seems (at least from threads on POTN) that most of the 7DII focus issues are users unfamiliar with the complexities if the AF.


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Jun 29, 2016 07:51 |  #138

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To be fair, it seems (at least from threads on POTN) that most of the 7DII focus issues are users unfamiliar with the complexities if the AF.

Ive already seen people trying to work out the D500 focus system as well, in most cases its just a learning curve with these cameras, took me a while with my 7DII. We are pretty lucky with the cameras we have today anyway, just huge progress over the last few years


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Jun 29, 2016 08:32 |  #139

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To be fair, it seems (at least from threads on POTN) that most of the 7DII focus issues are users unfamiliar with the complexities if the AF.

The 7D2 is as complicated as someones makes it for themselves. There were posts were people slapped a lens on and went to shoot family sporting events. Factory settings of Case 1 and 1st and 2nd priority at Equal is more than adequate to get great shots right from day 1. All you do is pick an appropriate focus mode, shutter speeds and good technique which will take a person much further than mucking around with camera.

Someone said you could not shoot smaller fast birds with factory settings so I went out to prove you could about 7 weeks ago. These may not be swallows but they are fast. I have never recommended for anyone to shoot swallows first day out.

Factory settings with 4 point expansion. I can post many keepers from bursts, etc.

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While I admit it does take time because people can become overwhelmed and think they need to master the case numbers, etc on the first weekend which accounts for a high percentage of user error but there were enough reports by experienced users. If my wife can take good stills after I do some basic set up with factory settings anyone can. She has a better eye than I do but does want to know anything beyond where the shutter button is.

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Jun 29, 2016 09:16 |  #140

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The 7D2 is as complicated as someones makes it for themselves. There were posts were people slapped a lens on and went to shoot family sporting events. Factory settings of Case 1 and 1st and 2nd priority at Equal is more than adequate to get great shots right from day 1. All you do is pick an appropriate focus mode, shutter speeds and good technique which will take a person much further than mucking around with camera.

Someone said you could not shoot smaller fast birds with factory settings so I went out to prove you could about 7 weeks ago. These may not be swallows but they are fast. I have never recommended for anyone to shoot swallows first day out.

Factory settings with 4 point expansion. I can post many keepers from bursts, etc.

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While I admit it does take time because people can become overwhelmed and think they need to master the case numbers, etc on the first weekend which accounts for a high percentage of user error but there were enough reports by experienced users. If my wife can take good stills after I do some basic set up with factory settings anyone can. She has a better eye than I do but does want to know anything beyond where the shutter button is.



dont know who would have said that, this is one of the first shots I took with 7DII and the tamron 150-600, not perfect but I was happy with it, a swallow is pretty small and fast

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Jun 29, 2016 09:47 |  #141

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dont know who would have said that, this is one of the first shots I took with 7DII and the tamron 150-600, not perfect but I was happy with it, a swallow is pretty small and fast

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Very nice shots. Said what? Are you referring to the complexity of the camera? Based on your shot alone I have always a camera either focuses or it doesn't. There is no grey area. We have limited control in the 1st and 2nd priority settings for initial focus but that is about it. Case numbers control tracking characteristics.

I did a bunch of tests. A few weeks ago I tested to see of Case numbers effected initial AF acquisition which I have never thought did. I marked tape at ½ increments and applied to my 100-40-II focus ring. I also applied a reference mark on the barrel. Cam on AI Servo, on a tripod using a static object. I defocused ½ inch between each Case. From cases 1 -6 there was no difference in AF acquisition speed. No hunting or anything else.


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Jun 29, 2016 09:53 |  #142

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Very nice shots. Said what? Are you referring to the complexity of the camera? Based on your shot alone I have always a camera either focuses or it doesn't. There is no grey area. We have limited control in the 1st and 2nd priority settings for initial focus but that is about it. Case numbers control tracking characteristics.

I did a bunch of tests. A few weeks ago I tested to see of Case numbers effected initial AF acquisition which I have never thought did. I marked tape at ½ increments and applied to my 100-40-II focus ring. I also applied a reference mark on the barrel. Cam on AI Servo, on a tripod using a static object. I defocused ½ inch between each Case. From cases 1 -6 there was no difference in AF acquisition speed. No hunting or anything else.


I think that shot was on case 2 AI focus, the single point with the four surrounding focus points enabled. I sometimes use case 5 now and more expanded focus but camera seems to work well for me


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Jun 29, 2016 10:06 |  #143

What I have yet to try is turning the IS off which I BIF have never done since 2006.

I also called two other local stores and no one stocks the Nikon 80-400. 3 companies and 5 locations. Henry's said they would bring one in with no obligations but told them to hold off. Thought I'd try it for chits and giggles but I have no real plan to cross the fence. I like my Canon gear. I'm used to the ergonomics, etc. That 100-400 II is too much of an outstanding lens. Also you take a bath selling your gear so in the long run. This is just leap frog and competition is great because it just gets us better cameras.

When I was at my favourite camera store checking out the D500 and 200-500 I started to talk about birding and how you see so much nice work from everyone compared to 10 years ago. He responded everyone is into birding these days because cameras are better but mostly longer good quality lenses have become affordable for the general public.

I know this is off topic but I'm curious to see what Canon is going to offer with the 5D4. If there are enough pixels to compensate for loss of reach without needing to buy a 600mm lens going to FF I may interested. I am defiantly going to be a one body owner. If I keep my 7D2 I'll get a Tokina 11-16. Had one before and loved it.


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Jun 29, 2016 10:15 |  #144

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I think that shot was on case 2 AI focus, the single point with the four surrounding focus points enabled. I sometimes use case 5 now and more expanded focus but camera seems to work well for me

So Case 2 just lowers TS from the middle point of 0 to -1. If you go off target you get a little more time before the system looks for something else to focus on. Actually even 0 is pretty good I found. Now that I think about it that gull shot was on Case 1. It swooped up and off the AF point and I still got 3 in focus shots during that burst. I set my 7D2 to 8 FPS from day 1.

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Many birders including me set TS in Case 2 to -2 to lock onto the target if you go off longer. So Case 2 is typically my precise bird tracking mode unless I go into 65 point zone and then I'm typically on Case 6. I really don't need zone but I don't know why I have so much fun using it.

This is a pretty good blog and the author does the same with TS.

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Jun 30, 2016 00:14 |  #145

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cant say I have heard any issues with the d500 yet but the D5 is not complaint free to my knowledge, as for focus issues with 7DII, what focus issues, Ive never had any, there are probably a few duds out there but by all means not all 7DIIs have issues

This thread was meant to be about D500 vs 7DII and one would expect a newer model with newer tech to be a bit better. but as i have already said, there is no photo Ive seen yet from D500 that I cant get the same sort of result out of my 7DII, its just that the D500 has probably made it easier to do

why was Jim banned?


I have yet to see one complaint about the D5 except for price and as for the 7D2 i am afraid someone is burying their head in the sand about its problems, the problem is very wide spread, every forum out there has their threads about focus complaints with the 7D2, there has been MANY an accomplished photog that had the go through multiple copies of the body just to get one that works half assed close to what Canon advertised and i am afraid your image of the swallow is really not helping as i find the image extremely soft, for a shutter speed of 1/4000 something really missed in that shot

As for picture to picture comparisons that doesn't tell the whole story if you are judging a camera that way, i could say i have seen pictures out of a T3i or a D70 that equals and in some cases beats what comes out of the higher end cameras and the 7D2, but its the ability of the camera to get and consistently get those great images, so while the 7D2 can get one out of ten good images out of a 10fps shooting sequence but fails on the other 9 cause of its focus issues and someone posts that one good image does not tell the telling story while the D500 is nailing shot after shot. And again, the sensors in the 2 cameras, well we all know that story, Canon sensors, well they just plain suck. There are also a lot of Canon landscape shooters that added a Sony body to their camera bag just to have that better sensor and that right there says a lot about Canon sensors. With the Sony body they can have a much better sensor but still use their Canon lenses. When I switched from the 7D to the D300S I was amazed at how much better the files and focusing was than the 7D and that continues to this day

Like I said, Canon shooters don't like to hear the above but it is what it is




  
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Jun 30, 2016 01:56 |  #146

For Canon 7DII shooters,

below is a series of video explanation on the AF settings for 7D mark II by Wildlife Photographer Grant Atkinson.
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Jun 30, 2016 03:13 |  #147

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I have yet to see one complaint about the D5 except for price and as for the 7D2 i am afraid someone is burying their head in the sand about its problems, the problem is very wide spread, every forum out there has their threads about focus complaints with the 7D2, there has been MANY an accomplished photog that had the go through multiple copies of the body just to get one that works half assed close to what Canon advertised and i am afraid your image of the swallow is really not helping as i find the image extremely soft, for a shutter speed of 1/4000 something really missed in that shot

As for picture to picture comparisons that doesn't tell the whole story if you are judging a camera that way, i could say i have seen pictures out of a T3i or a D70 that equals and in some cases beats what comes out of the higher end cameras and the 7D2, but its the ability of the camera to get and consistently get those great images, so while the 7D2 can get one out of ten good images out of a 10fps shooting sequence but fails on the other 9 cause of its focus issues and someone posts that one good image does not tell the telling story while the D500 is nailing shot after shot. And again, the sensors in the 2 cameras, well we all know that story, Canon sensors, well they just plain suck. There are also a lot of Canon landscape shooters that added a Sony body to their camera bag just to have that better sensor and that right there says a lot about Canon sensors. With the Sony body they can have a much better sensor but still use their Canon lenses. When I switched from the 7D to the D300S I was amazed at how much better the files and focusing was than the 7D and that continues to this day

Like I said, Canon shooters don't like to hear the above but it is what it is



"its the ability of the camera to get and consistently get those great images, so while the 7D2 can get one out of ten good images out of a 10fps shooting sequence but fails on the other 9 cause of its focus issues and someone posts that one good image does not tell the telling story while the D500 is nailing shot after shot"
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sorry but Im getting at least 8 in focus sharp shots out of my 7DII with birds in flight, if you have used a 7DII thats well set up and cant get it right you need to improve your own abilitys. I have no idea where you get that sort of hit rate from. Maybe just use a phone if your that bad


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Jun 30, 2016 04:43 |  #148

this is a sequence from at least 10 shots in a row that all came out sharp, 7DII is just fine once its set up properly


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Just another person that wants to rile up members with exaggerated and inflammatory comments. It is quite obvious he/she has no personal experience with the latest bodies from canon. That attitude is what caused the other member's ban I am pretty sure.


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Just another person that wants to rile up members with exaggerated and inflammatory comments. It is quite obvious he/she has no personal experience with the latest bodies from canon. That attitude is what caused the other member's ban I am pretty sure.


I gathered that, no one would deny that the new D500 is a great camera, friend of mine is waiting on one and hoping it is all they say. But I dont think that suddenly makes the 7dII a bad camera. I follow quite a number of wildlife photographers and most have it as their second camera next to their 1dX or 1DXII and to be honest seeing the work they produce with it (including shots in sequences of bird flying at them) makes me realise that its all about the photographer. A couple of them I've had to ask what camera they have used as their work is so good the 7DII comes up as good as their full frame shots. I think its kind of stupid to get hung up on brands, I have friends that shoot Nikon and canon, they know which does the best job for them and take advantage of it.


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