onOne Raw

Anyone seen the upcoming RAW convertor from onOne? Looks serious, and fast. Could be a nice alternative.

I have not, but I will take a look. I'm still RAW converter agnostic ever since my favorite tools were both bought up and taken apart.
I'm mostly using Capture One now, which has always been my fav for output, but it's not my favorite for interface.

I'm interested to see it too. I've used On1 Photo for a few years now, mainly for stylisation / pixel editing after LR.
Very keen to see how the new Raw processor stacks up as it has potential to simplify my workflow and have non-destructive editing from start to finish.

See my post from yesterday:

https://photography-on-the.net …/showthread.php​?t=1458295

Sorry NinetyEight, I wouldn't have started this thread had I seen yours.

No need to apologise! I wasn't sure where to put it, but seeing as it's 'news' and not available yet I chose the Photography Industry News forum.

Looks like a contender for LR to me. I already use C1 v9 but still use LR for cataloguing.

The proof will be in the pudding, as they say. The approach that On1 is taking is pretty much a straight up f* you to Adobe, which appears to be somewhat of a marketing gimmick to win over disappointed former Adobe users; that being said, they appear to be addressing a lot of the complaints that were voiced during the Adobe upheaval to a subscription-only model (and persist today) - including the ability to keep using your On1 product (frozen in version) perpetually once you stop paying the yearly fee. It is so simple, in theory - it will be interesting to see how On1 handles this. The promotional videos also allude to the software being designed to leverage modern technology for modern camera files - again, sticking it to the Adobe dinosaur codebase.

In terms of raw functionality, it appears that On1 is again listening to people and implementing a non-destructive workflow that includes layers and effects (most of what people who use something like LR exclusively with little need for PS would want to finish their images) all in a unified workspace. If the raw conversion quality and color rendering is superior to LR/ACR, then this will be a no-brainer for many many people. If they can leverage the GPU in a way that is not haphazard and constantly broken, another win. It appears that they already have some sort of mobile app, which a subset of users might want, so that is in place and probably not kludgy like Adobe's version. The fact that the environment can be stand-alone or used as a plug-in to many applications is another bonus for many users, I would think. The fact that there is no mandatory database... another win.

Should be good fun! Ultimately, the quality of the conversion and the ease and efficiency of the workflow will determine the success of the product; however, there is a dissatisfied (former and current) Adobe user base in place that is likely waiting for such a product.

kirk

I'm hoping OnOne sees that now the market is ripe for them to produce a new HDR app. What with google now abandoning their Nik product I(HDRefex will fade into oblivion), and the fact that Photomatix turned to crap and lost their market majority years ago, the timing is ripe.

Until recently, I evaluated OnOne's suite as basically useless when compared with Topaz's and Nik's offerings. But the new ver. 10 actually has some good stuff. And now that the Borg (Google) has bungled yet another product they assimilated, OnOne's market potentials have changed radically.

A RAW converter from OnOne that betters DPP's pathetic missing features and poor performance, Capture Ones' extortionistic price and ACR might succeed. As well might a good HDR product.

Edit: thanks for the heads-up post. I did not know they were developing one.

Edit #2: here some info.

I agree that this looks like a good program. I have use On1 as plug-ins since version 7, and I expect this to be of very high quality. It looks like it could be a complete replacement for LR and PS.

However, as I posted on the On1 blog yesterday, it will all depend upon how it deals with my current LR catalog. I have several concerns, but for example, I have 70,000+ images that have been keyworded, rated (color and star, in some cases), and geotagged. Will On1 RAW be able to access and incorporate this DAM information? If not, then I will have to maintain LR in order to use this catalog, because I sure am not going to go back in and replicate all that work, even on the subset of images that I might seriously want to work on in the future. Another example is what happens to my LR edits. I suspect that On1 RAW will only be able to access the original CR2 or DNG files, which would mean that if I no longer had LR, I would have to re-create my previous edits on any images that I have worked on in LR (or, again, maintain separate software systems for new and old images). I know that I could export my edited LR files as TIFFs if I wanted to edit them in On1, but that is hardly optimal, it would negate much of the speed advantages of On1, and I would still need to maintain both programs.

Of course, On1 RAW could be used as a plug-in in LR, but many of the speed advantages that they tout would be lost if you had to import the images into LR to begin with, and I suspect that having your primary editor exist as a plug-in in another program would be very clunky.

Given LR's long-standing domination of this sort of software, On1 will have to be very clever in making the transition to their software easy and worthwhile. It it means walking away from years of work done in LR, then it will probably never achieve its potential.

I think, ( hope ) that they are not looking to lure in those that are worrying about LR catalogs.
One of the very things I would be looking for is a RAW converter. Not a "Digital Asset Manager" (DAM) catalog etc.

The "No Import/Catalog" aspect is one of it's selling features.

I realize that not every one shares my p.o.v. on DAM, but it is one large part of why I can not work well with LR. Since LR, pretty much all RAW tools have in some way followed this lead (well actually LR followed C1's and Aperture's lead here, but before LR not everyone was trying to emulate C1 and Aperture)
It will be nice to get back to the basics of RAW conversion and not tie it in with all that cataloguing that slows even peppy PCs down to a crawl.

I assume you know that you can use C1 without a catalogue and just browse to files with a folder structure ('session' mode)?. I do use LR for key-wording to enable me to find specific images but then edit in C1 - I personally think it produces 'nicer' (better colour balanced) images.

Well, I checked with On1 10 (which is the current version), and it does pick up ratings that were assigned to images in LR, so that concern of mine may not be an issue.

I would still like to have a single program, and I would like to be able to preserve the work I have done in LR over ten years. However, On1 10 does not see LR edits (I converted a color image to B&W in LR, and On1 10 only sees the original color image), so unless something changes, I would have to keep LR running on my system to convert any edited images to TIFF in order to further work on them in On1 RAW, either as a stand-alone program or as a LR plug-in (unless On1 makes some changes that I am not confident they can make). You cannot even see which images have been edited in LR from within On1, so ditching LR would not be an option.

This is all too bad, since the editing speed and responsiveness seen in the On1 RAW videos is very impressive.

Well, I guess I was wrong. At least in On1 Photo 10, keywords, ratings, color labels, etc. assigned in LR do NOT show up. (This information is retained only if you open On1 as a plug-in from within LR.) This makes it impossible to search on those keywords, etc. from within On1. If this is still the case in On1 RAW (and I have no reason to suspect that it won't be), it will be impossible to conduct searches on any of the 70,000 images I now have cataloged in LR using On1. This would mean that I would either have to abandon the cataloging work I have done (which isn't going to happen), or use On1 Raw as a plug-in within LR. I would still be importing images into LR and assigning keywords there (to avoid having to search for images in two different systems, and then try to collate the results in some, as-yet-unknown arrangement), which means that LR will have already performed its RAW conversion. Bringing such an image into On1 RAW would give me the advantage of faster editing tools, but any advantages that might reside in the actual RAW conversion, and any time savings from not having a catalog system, will be lost.

I think that a lot of people will be unwilling to lose the DAM work they have done in LR. Searching for specific images, or types of images, among many thousands of images, without the keywords that we have assigned specifically for that purpose, is a daunting proposition.

The DAM situation doesn't bother me and I have 20K+ images. I keep everything in shoot folders as subfolders to the year they were shot and therefore can use the folder structure to find what I need to work on. My situation may be different (most likely is) but I rarely need to use LR to find an older image, I use the folder structure there as well.

NinetyEight wrote in post #17988153
I assume you know that you can use C1 without a catalogue and just browse to files with a folder structure ('session' mode)?. I do use LR for key-wording to enable me to find specific images but then edit in C1 - I personally think it produces 'nicer' (better colour balanced) images.

I do, and this is a big part of why I use C1