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May 11, 2016 13:39 |  #1

Hey everyone I got a Sony FE 50mm 1.8 on my A7 and I'd like to minimize the minimum focus to at least half of what it is.


Which tube would help me achieve that? 10mm,16mm or 26mm?


The current MFD is 1.48 ft (0.45 m)

Also can anyone tell me what the magnification with the tubes it will be? Or what is the formula?

The current magnification is 0.14 x

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May 11, 2016 23:09 |  #2

anyone?


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May 12, 2016 00:28 |  #3

Normally(excluding internal magnification) you need the same amount of extension as the lens to get 1x(lifesize) -- 50mm lens needs 50mm extension for 1x and 25mm for 1/2x. Your best bet would be to buy a set of extension tubes as this will give you most flexibility with other lenses as well. My first option would be a macro lens, the next option is extension tube(s). Tubes are the best option to get your feet wet. Will tell you that if you end up liking macro your next purchase will be the macro lens, they are so much more versatile and flexible than extension tubes.




  
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May 12, 2016 00:29 as a reply to  @ maverick75's post |  #4

The formula is extension divided by lens focal length. The 10 will give you .34x, 16 will give you .46x, 26 will give you .66x.


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May 12, 2016 01:34 |  #5

Thank you!!!!


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May 12, 2016 01:39 |  #6

CheleA wrote in post #18004251 (external link)
Normally(excluding internal magnification) you need the same amount of extension as the lens to get 1x(lifesize) -- 50mm lens needs 50mm extension for 1x and 25mm for 1/2x. Your best bet would be to buy a set of extension tubes as this will give you most flexibility with other lenses as well. My first option would be a macro lens, the next option is extension tube(s). Tubes are the best option to get your feet wet. Will tell you that if you end up liking macro your next purchase will be the macro lens, they are so much more versatile and flexible than extension tubes.


I've own some EF extension tubes for my Canon, along with 1:1 and 1:2 lenses, in the past. Just never got deep into macro and didnt know the science behind it. Thank you so much for the information!

Having been used to 12" MFD on my other 50mm lenses it feels super long on this lens that can only do 18". Dont really want it for any intense macro work, just wanted to focus a bit closer when doing product shots.


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May 12, 2016 09:37 |  #7

CheleA wrote:
Normally(excluding internal magnification) you need the same amount of extension as the lens to get 1x(lifesize) -- 50mm lens needs 50mm extension for 1x and 25mm for 1/2x.

NateD wrote in post #18004252 (external link)
The formula is extension divided by lens focal length. The 10 will give you .34x, 16 will give you .46x, 26 will give you .66x.

The above bold text defines the magnification if the lens is focused to Infinity. 25mm extension/50mm FL = 0.5X. NateD did supply the magnification values with various lengths of extensions, but I have not seen an equation to calculate the new effective minimum focus distance with each length of tube...I simply consult a calculator
http://www.kielia.de/p​hotography/calculator/ (external link)
to get the following values...

In the case of the Canon 50mm f/1.8 its closest focus distance is 0.45m, allowing a native magnfication of 0.15X;

  • with 25mm extension the magnification achieved is 0.5X with lens focused at Infinity
  • with 25mm extension, the minimum effective focus distance is 0.211m, achieving 0.65X at minimum focus distance;
  • with 10mm extension, the magnification achieved is 0.33Xand the minimum effective focus distance is 0.266m



In the days of film it used to be that manufacturers would supply charts with macro range assuming the use of their standard length macro lenses, but you seldom see that any longer. With lenses like those manual focus lenses of film SLRs of 4 years ago, the ability of the lens optics to extend away from the focal plane along the helicoid focus movement defined a distance that was added to the extension tube, to calculate magnification.

Consulting Olympus charts, it shows a 50mm f/1.8 can focus with 25mm extension can focus

  • magnification range: ~0.14X (lens direct on body), ~0.49X - ~0.62X
  • working distance (front of lens to subject plane): 10.0-12.4cm, 3.9-4.9"



AF lenses complicate things, because many lenses intended to have some macro capability ALTER their inherent FL, so calculation of magnification for focus distance is complicated by that fact. The above linked calculation program says that it assumes the 100mm macro lens has 75mm FL focused at the closest distance, to achieve 1:1 reproduction ratio, and the program does not permit assumption of a fixed FL

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