Alexander J.E. Bradley wrote in post #18009817
Thanks guys for your input of the article. Listening to some of the things said here I have changed some small points to clarify and make sure that we're all on the same page. Espically the part about distance compression. Hopefully it should be better now.
Alexander, you got yourself into trouble when you stated in the revised text,
"Focal length and Distance Compression
Even though your depth of field in actual terms will be relatively the same at 24mm as 80mm and again as 200mm, the image will appear to be more out of focus when zoomed in. The reason for this is caused by ‘distance compression’; as we walk back and zoom in, keeping our subject the same size within the frame, the background has been brought closer.
Look at the example below; the chair has relatively the same amount of blur in each photo, but as we compress the background and make it closer to the image, it gives the impression of being more out of focus, by amplifying the out of focus area in comparison to our subject.
If, by instance, your subject and background were both in focus in the 24mm image, they would still be in focus in the 200mm image as well. Only when it is out of focus can you amplify the effect."
Some critiques
- Unfortunately, 'compression' is a term usually associated with 'telephoto compression' in which distant objects seem to be brought closer to the subject, because their apparent size is magnified (by camera position, relative to the distant object vs. your subject). You risk confusing the beginner with using that same term relative to DOF discussion, when it is not applicable and normally not part of DOF discussions.
- Your statement, "as we walk back and zoom in, keeping our subject the same size within the frame, the background has been brought closer" is indeed true, but not in the context of what is 'in focus' vs. 'out of focus'. Relative size ('brought closer' vs 'moved back farther' is a characteristic of 'perspective', not 'DOF'.
If we look at a variety of FL and how BLURRY the background will be, we see that with varying FL the degree of blur will be THE SAME, assuming the diameter of the aperture (as measured in mm) is the same. In this chart, all apertures are 12mm in diameter (FL / f-stop)
Per the above graph, in the 'distant background' (past 1km) the blur magnitude is the same, but in the near background (e.g. 1m - 100m) the blur magnitudes do differ, with -- counterintuitively -- the SHORTER FL more blurred than the longer FL lenses.
Lastly,...
3. You state, "the image will appear to be more out of focus when zoomed in". Again, to avoid confusion in use of terms, most folks think of 'zoomed' as pertaining to FL. The image is NOT 'more blurred' due to FL, per se, as the blur chart proves. The DOF is shallower 'when the subject occupies a larger percentage of the frame' at the same f/stop, but the farfield blur magnitude is related to the aperture diameter.
Rows 3-6 of this table represents the same information presented in the first grapyh; Rows 8-14 of the table represent varying combinations that have DOF vs. farfield blur magnitude.
The above table and chart show that DOF zone depth is not necessarily directly related to farfield blur magnitude. And neither are directly related to FL.
- At the same f/stop, the DOF zone is related to the size of the subject in the frame
- At the same aperture diameter (millimeters), the farfield blur magnitude is the same