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Jun 04, 2016 08:17 |  #1

Doing focus stacking with macros is hard. This is a manually constructed composite of 9 shots. If you pixel peep, you will see flaws. It was a first attempt. Next time around, I would pick a day when there was absolutely no air stirring. These flowers are at the end of a long stem and have high windage. If you breathe on them, they start swaying. I'd also try a smaller aperture than f/8. They have so much depth that 9 shots was the barest minimum; I could have used a couple more. With macros, the out of focus parts have a wide bleed extent. That's tough to deal with, which accounts for some of the flaws. I'm not entirely happy with the result and will try again with lessons learned. These flowers are short-lived. So one has a small window of opportunity.

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Jun 05, 2016 06:39 |  #2

One would surmise that trying to stack windblown images would be an exercise in futility...
bring the subject into your studio.


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Jun 05, 2016 09:42 |  #3

chauncey wrote in post #18029675 (external link)
One would surmise that trying to stack windblown images would be an exercise in futility...
bring the subject into your studio.

That thought did occur to me. But then I would have had to kill it. I'm a softie that way. -?


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Jun 05, 2016 14:51 |  #4

Aah...do ya eat hamburgers?


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joedlh wrote in post #18029772 (external link)
That thought did occur to me. But then I would have had to kill it. I'm a softie that way. -?

Ever brush your teeth? Or take a shower? Poop? Literally billions of deaths every time you do lots of things. Breathing doesn't kill as many, but happens a lot more often.

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Aah...do ya eat hamburgers?

... or anything else for that matter ...




  
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Jun 05, 2016 21:35 |  #6

Sounds like you leaned several good lessons. The aperture thing often stumps people because they think that with focus stacking they can open up to a sharper aperture - but it depends on your subject. I've had many people not understand why I have to stop down to f16 when focus stacking wither a macro shot or a landscape shot. However, even with diffraction at f16, the focus plane is still significantly sharper than areas within the 'region of acceptable focus', so for me it is still something I do for landscapes when I can. f16 on a crop is pushing it IMO, but still test it with different subjects and you will get a feel for what is worth doing and what you are never going to get looking good (in say a large print).

Sometimes you might want to just focus stack part of the flower and then shoot some shots at a much larger aperture to nicely blur the OOF areas - again experimentation is needed to get the right shots for stacking and blending (not necessarily for this shot)

The next lesson will be that even without wind, for a tricky subject like this, you will want to think about some way of automatically programming the camera to perform the stacking (computer or Magic Lantern - not available for the 7DII unfortunately) so you can easily collect 20+ images with evenly distributed focus movement and without touching the camera. In addition you will need a program to correct for the focal length changes with focus distance and stacking. I use Helicon Focus, which I still like and bought a lifetime license years ago, but I have heard Zerene stacker has become popular. I think there may be a free version of Zerene (8 bit, limited resolution or something similar). But unfortunately if you want to do this a lot, you will have to pay for a program to really do a good job. Even then, those programs have nice tools for manual editing.

Having said all that, there are still limitations, and sometimes you find you just can't do what you really want to do.


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Jun 16, 2016 08:37 |  #7

Macro shots generally require a good amount of light in order to get the desired DOF and enough shutter to remove any motion blur.

If you can rock an off-camera flash or ringflash I think you can crank the aperture down to ~f14 and get more DOF. Also increasing the distance between you and your subject will give some more depth.

I took some extremely similar shots earlier in the season and had good results using a Tokina 100mm + Yongnuo ring flash.

Stacking with wind is tough, but it can be done with the right combination.

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