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Jun 13, 2016 12:44 |  #1

I shot some outdoor music this weekend. The performers were under a semi-permanent overhead screen...

They had a lot of open background which resulted in about a 1.2-3 stop backlight differential...

Its my understanding that I could meter a shadow with the * button next to the back focus button and that would lock the exposure while i refrained for focus and shooting...

Several times (many times? ) I would have spot metering engaged, meter with the FEL button, reframe and focus and shoot and get a great silhouette. It seems the exposure (the E in FEL?) lock didnt lock the exposure...

Some times it worked fabulously others not so much...

Using a 5D3 with a 24-70 f2f.8 L ii and the 70-200 f2.8 L ....


Has anyone got any insight into this?


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Jun 15, 2016 02:07 |  #2

I'm not sure I understand you.
Are you metering with the * button or the FEL button? Do you even have any FEL button on that camera? Have you realized that AE lock (normally assigned to * button) is for ambient light but FEL (Flash Exposure Lock) is for the flash light? Did you use any flash at all?


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Jun 15, 2016 07:39 |  #3

Well apparently I was mistaken in thinking * was just a plain exposure lock button...

No, I Wasn't shooting with a flash. I asked a simple question about using a flash in these (and other poor lighting) situations before and I was excoriated for even considering it...

I metered the shadows because that's where their faces were. Sometimes it worked, sometimes it didnt and i would then meter something darker to get a proper exposure...


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Jun 15, 2016 08:02 |  #4
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Why are you using the FEL button? The * button must be assigned to Exposure Lock. Can you break this down into a step-by-step. I am confused.




  
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Jun 15, 2016 11:13 |  #5
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john crossley wrote in post #18040184 (external link)
The * button IS the Exposure Lock. All you have to do is press it.

Is the OP shooting flash, or not. If he is not, why the FEL button? If he is, why the * button? They are not related, in any way. Some shots with EXIF and camera settings would be useful about now.




  
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Jun 15, 2016 12:38 |  #6

To reiterate from an earlier reply:

No I wasn't using flash...

I WAS using the * button on the back of the camera next to the back focus button...

I mistakenly called it the Fel button, thinking they were one and the same. I see now that they are NOT the same button...


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Jun 15, 2016 13:10 |  #7

You had trouble most likely because of the way that Canon's AE Lock works by default.

You should be able to see in the viewfinder if the metering changes;
1st, the "*" will go away (it's down near the bottom of the viewfinder)
2nd, aperture/shutter speeds changing from the point you pressed * (AEL)

Canon's AElock by default will lock in an exposure, HOWEVER If no other button is pressed, the meter goes off after two or six seconds. If a picture is taken and you remove your finger from the shutter button, the meter goes off after two seconds (with most EOS DSLRs).

When the meter timer turns the camera’s meter off, you lose any previous AE Lock setting.

-To maintain an AE Lock reading after a shot is taken, you must either continually hold in the AE Lock button or be sure to put your finger halfway down on the shutter button within two seconds after a picture is taken. Otherwise, the meter timer turns off the meter and, again, any AE Lock reading is lost.

-To intentionally turn off an AE Lock reading with Canon’s traditional AE Lock system, you don’t simply press the AE Lock button a second time — that just takes a new reading of whatever you’re now viewing. Instead, you have to either be sure not to press any other buttons and wait six seconds for the meter timer to extinguish the meter system, or turn the camera off and then back on again.

This is pretty poor use of AE Lock IMHO, instead you should take advantage of the newish AE Lock "HOLD feature.


If you have a 5D3, you can use custom functions to turn on "AE LOCK with HOLD"


In this case, the AE Lock will remain on until you press * again. It's much more useful for the AE Lock fan.


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Jun 15, 2016 13:19 |  #8

To turn on "AEL with Hold" on 5D3

Menu, Custom functions, 2nd Tab at bottom "Custom Controls" press "set".

Use main and rear dial to navigate the orange selection rectangle over the * button, press "set"
Use rear dial to move the orange rectangle right from "*" to "*H", press "Set"

That's it.


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Jun 15, 2016 13:26 |  #9

P.S. if you'd asked me at a cocktail party, I would have called it the FEL button too ;)
If you'd asked me what it was called in 2004, it would have been the AF button :)


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CyberDyneSystems wrote in post #18040292 (external link)
You had trouble most likely because of the way that Canon's AE Lock works by default.

You should be able to see in the viewfinder if the metering changes;
1st, the "*" will go away (it's down near the bottom of the viewfinder)
2nd, aperture/shutter speeds changing from the point you pressed * (AEL)

Canon's AElock by default will lock in an exposure, HOWEVER If no other button is pressed, the meter goes off after two or six seconds. If a picture is taken and you remove your finger from the shutter button, the meter goes off after two seconds (with most EOS DSLRs).

When the meter timer turns the camera’s meter off, you lose any previous AE Lock setting.

-To maintain an AE Lock reading after a shot is taken, you must either continually hold in the AE Lock button or be sure to put your finger halfway down on the shutter button within two seconds after a picture is taken. Otherwise, the meter timer turns off the meter and, again, any AE Lock reading is lost.

-To intentionally turn off an AE Lock reading with Canon’s traditional AE Lock system, you don’t simply press the AE Lock button a second time — that just takes a new reading of whatever you’re now viewing. Instead, you have to either be sure not to press any other buttons and wait six seconds for the meter timer to extinguish the meter system, or turn the camera off and then back on again.

This is pretty poor use of AE Lock IMHO, instead you should take advantage of the newish AE Lock "HOLD feature.


If you have a 5D3, you can use custom functions to turn on "AE LOCK with HOLD"


In this case, the AE Lock will remain on until you press * again. It's much more useful for the AE Lock fan.

im thinking thats probably what was happening. i would grab an exposure reading and then reframe. waiting for the performer to move away from the mic or look up or get into at least a semi-interesting pose and that was probably more than 6 seconds many times...


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Jun 16, 2016 07:39 |  #11

All right, then I'm with you. Yes, if you had kept your finger on the * button it would have worked.

Some cameras have only the * button, in which case it usually works as AE-Lock when no flash is used and as FEL when there's a mounted and active flash.
Some cameras have both the * and FEL button, in which case they perform different duties, of course.
Some cameras have the * and an M-Fn button (sometimes also an M-Fn2 button), in which case some of them have to be programmed to perform the FEL action, if you need that.


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Jun 16, 2016 08:35 |  #12

CyberDyneSystems wrote in post #18040292 (external link)
-To intentionally turn off an AE Lock reading with Canon’s traditional AE Lock system, you don’t simply press the AE Lock button a second time — that just takes a new reading of whatever you’re now viewing. Instead, you have to either be sure not to press any other buttons and wait six seconds for the meter timer to extinguish the meter system, or turn the camera off and then back on again.

Maybe a little off topic, but instead of turning the camera off and on or waiting six seconds, on my 60D I press the set focus point / magnifier button (to the right of the * button) twice. Once to activate and then deactivate choosing a focus point. That switches off the AE-lock settings and is faster than six seconds or the on/off switch.
It's possible of course, that other menu options would make that switching undesirable.




  
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