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Jul 02, 2016 14:22 |  #16

Canon_Shoe wrote in post #18055486 (external link)
It's definitely closing the gap.....I'm looking at 36.3mp and 14.8 stops DR vs 20.2mp and 13.5 stops DR. Still a big difference for landscape. If the 5DSR had 13.5 stops DR, I pry would've stuck with Canon

Yeah, D810 and 14-24 is a great setup for landscape. I'd be shooting with that if I didn't shoot weddings.


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Jul 02, 2016 22:52 |  #17

Canon_Shoe wrote in post #18055486 (external link)
It's definitely closing the gap.....I'm looking at 36.3mp and 14.8 stops DR vs 20.2mp and 13.5 stops DR. Still a big difference for landscape. If the 5DSR had 13.5 stops DR, I pry would've stuck with Canon

Yeah, D810 is amazing! Good hearing you're really happy with it as I know you had a lot of patience making that hard decision to switch.

I am still loving my a7R II / 5DS R shooting combo. Got the great DR I need on the a7R II, but I still enjoy the 5DS R just as well. Cool thing, of course, is my lenses AF equally well on either body.


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Jul 03, 2016 16:38 as a reply to  @ David Arbogast's post |  #18

Yes, I'm more impressed with DR than about anything right now :) I recently downloaded some RAW's from the Phase One IQ3 and wow is that impressive! 100mp and 15 stops DR.......I think the future Sony sensors are just going to keep killing it


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Jul 03, 2016 20:57 |  #19

raptor3x wrote in post #18055096 (external link)
This may have been true at one point but when using newer Canon lenses with newer Canon bodies (not sure if this applies to the lower end bodies yet) the Canon AF is significantly more precise (external link) than in Nikon bodies. The caveat being that I haven't seen any data regarding this for the D5/D500 so Nikon may have made some strides in this regard in order to catch up to Canon.

I think the latest technology from Canon's EOS iTR AF and the iSA may just overtake Nikon's technology.


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Jul 03, 2016 21:01 |  #20

gjl711 wrote in post #18055104 (external link)
The mirror problem was with the original 5D. The 5DII has not had a mirror problem. With the classic, it was recognized as a manufacturing fault and Canon had a program to repair it for free.

I read somewhere there was a mirror/shutter issue for the 5D2. Maybe it is a isolated case.
http://www.dpreview.co​m/forums/thread/327209​7 (external link)


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Jul 04, 2016 03:35 |  #21

Canon_Shoe wrote in post #18057100 (external link)
Yes, I'm more impressed with DR than about anything right now :) I recently downloaded some RAW's from the Phase One IQ3 and wow is that impressive! 100mp and 15 stops DR.......I think the future Sony sensors are just going to keep killing it

Those RAWs actually have more noise in them than what I get on my Pentax, not surprising given the difference in pixel pitch - but the IQ3100 does have a lot more of them. I really hope Pentax works on making better lenses for this sensor size than jumping on the bandwagon, we're staring to outpace optics. That IQ back is really meant to be used with the Rodi HR lenses.

Ah-keong wrote in post #18057240 (external link)
I read somewhere there was a mirror/shutter issue for the 5D2. Maybe it is a isolated case.
http://www.dpreview.co​m/forums/thread/327209​7 (external link)

Own a 5D2 since May 2009 and it never had a problem, except for me breaking that darn USB port. Never bothered to have it fixed.


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Jul 06, 2016 12:35 |  #22

http://www.imaging-resource.com …d-mark-iii/vs/nikon/d810/ (external link)




  
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Jul 06, 2016 12:47 |  #23

I like how the 5DIII has as an advantage "has anti-aliasing filter" and the D810 has as an advantage "lacks anti-aliasing filter" :):)


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Jul 06, 2016 21:06 as a reply to  @ gjl711's post |  #24

Hahahaha, so true!


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Jul 07, 2016 10:36 |  #25

gjl711 wrote in post #18059536 (external link)
I like how the 5DIII has as an advantage "has anti-aliasing filter" and the D810 has as an advantage "lacks anti-aliasing filter" :):)

Well they can both be advantageous depending on the situation.


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Jul 09, 2016 07:28 |  #26

Something that hasn't been mentioned but appeals to me and many other Nikon shooters is Nikon stayed with the "F" mount when moving their film bodies to digital. Canon dumped the "FD" and moved to the "EF" mount when going digital. I believe that an adapter exists allowing the older canon lens fd to be mounted on the ef bodies but for Nikon users it's one less adapter to buy in order to use our lenses.


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Jul 09, 2016 08:53 |  #27

Thorrulz wrote in post #18061958 (external link)
Something that hasn't been mentioned but appeals to me and many other Nikon shooters is Nikon stayed with the "F" mount when moving their film bodies to digital. Canon dumped the "FD" and moved to the "EF" mount when going digital. I believe that an adapter exists allowing the older canon lens fd to be mounted on the ef bodies but for Nikon users it's one less adapter to buy in order to use our lenses.

pretty much a big nope to all of the above.

EF was introduced in 1987 long before digital. It was introduced for auto focusing and in fact stands for Electo Focus (or something similar). Not all classic F mounts will work on today's bodies, and some need to be modified.

those are not statistics, they are individual cases. I'm pretty confident you could find plenty of individual cases of problems with nikon too.

my guess is that any in depth DSLR statistics would prove that both manufacturers are very reliable over the long term.


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Jul 10, 2016 14:52 |  #28

Left Handed Brisket wrote in post #18062013 (external link)
pretty much a big nope to all of the above.

EF was introduced in 1987 long before digital. It was introduced for auto focusing and in fact stands for Electo Focus (or something similar). Not all classic F mounts will work on today's bodies, and some need to be modified.

those are not statistics, they are individual cases. I'm pretty confident you could find plenty of individual cases of problems with nikon too.

my guess is that any in depth DSLR statistics would prove that both manufacturers are very reliable over the long term.

Okay, I was incorrect in when the ef mount was introduced but for the most part Nikon lens with an F mount still work on the majority of their digital bodies without any type of adapter or modification. A canon fd lens needs an adapter to work with the canon digital bodies.

Still a plus if you shoot Nikon.


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Jul 10, 2016 15:46 |  #29

Thorrulz wrote in post #18063151 (external link)
Okay, I was incorrect in when the ef mount was introduced but for the most part Nikon lens with an F mount still work on the majority of their digital bodies without any type of adapter or modification. A canon fd lens needs an adapter to work with the canon digital bodies.

Still a plus if you shoot Nikon.

So the reality is that there are very few FD lenses worth keeping and using and for those that want to maintain FD lens usability, the adapter is a scant $6US for a cheap one and $30 for a really fancy one. I think I prefer the new mount with full AF capability and needing a cheap $6 adapter if I ever get the hankering to used some of my old FD lenses.


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Jul 10, 2016 16:12 |  #30

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So the reality is that there are very few FD lenses worth keeping and using and for those that want to maintain FD lens usability, the adapter is a scant $6US for a cheap one and $30 for a really fancy one. I think I prefer the new mount with full AF capability and needing a cheap $6 adapter if I ever get the hankering to used some of my old FD lenses.

Here is a shot taken of my son with my vintage Nikon 200 f2 ai-s which was on my Nikon D2h body.

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A few with the Nikon D800/200 f2 ai-s combo

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And lest I forget, there is also a Nikon TC16-A which does give the older manual focusing lenses such as my 200 f2 ai-s limited auto focusing abilities with bodies that support it. Not one of my best pics taken with it but you can see that it still can produce a sharp image. I don't believe Canon ever made such an adapter available for its users. Just another advantage, albeit a small one if you shoot Nikon.

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For the record, until a few years ago I was a Canon shooter. What prompted my switching over to Nikon was a need to sell all my Canon gear to help one of my kids with their college tuition. After I decided to start shooting again I tried out the Canon 5DMIII and the Nikon D800 before investing in one or the others lenses. In short I was so impressed with the Sony sensor I went with the Nikon and more or less the same lineup of gear I had when shooting Canon. If Canon had as good sensors in their bodies as the Nikon/Sony pairing I would have likely stayed in the Canon camp. But I have truly grown to love that 36mp Sony sensor over everything else.

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