What is currently the cheapest used full frame you can get (other than 5D classic)

heat00 wrote in post #18065091
I have a silly question, when looking or buying a used body, does the shutter count show somewhere? Also, what is the expected life of the shutter plus or minus... just trying to understand a little more about whether it's a good idea to consider a used body. (I'm also curious about my own shutter count lol)
Thanks,

These old bodies generally will not give you a shutter count. There are ways to "guess" at it based on the files, but it's not reliable, just gives you a shot in the dark. The only way to know for sure is to ask Canon, and that will cost money. Not worth it. Generally speaking, if you get an old camera like this, expect it to be end of life. And pay for it based on that--ie, don't over-pay. The old 1D's and 5D's have similar shutter life expectations as you'd find on modern cameras for the most part. It's not uncommon at all to find them with 150k~200k actuations. Remember, they're easily 8~10 years old. If you find one with only 10,000 actuations, I'd be skeptical honestly. I've bought a few that were over 180k and I'm pushing past 400~500k on one of my 5D's right now even. The expectation of the life of the shutter is a rating, it's not a guarantee. Some fail at 30k. Some go past 1 million (and end up in a museum!). I buy these old cameras often and I use them with wreckless abandon, when they're $100, $200 or $300, that's what you do. You don't get a 10 year old $200 camera and baby it, right? They're just tools that we use. I of course could have just skipped buying 4 of these old cameras and bought a modern one instead, but I just like the look of the older sensors.

Very best,

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itsallart wrote in post #18075666
7d is not a FF

I've been waiting for someone to say that! Thank you.


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Nightdiver13 wrote in post #18056964
The Canon 1Ds and Sony A7 both can be had for about $600-$650.

WHERE?!?!
My dad would like to get one at that price point.

itsallart wrote in post #18075666
7d is not a FF

You beat me to it.

MalVeauX wrote in post #18075665
Hey Tom,

The 1Dc, 1D2 & the "s" & "n" models of that series all use the same batteries. What I found annoying was that the charger with two limbs, only could charge one battery at a time. The charge time was long. The refreshing of the battery and subsequent recharge was very long. That's not to say they're bad, they were great for me, but annoying because it was one of the few areas on these cameras were today the age really shows, compared to a newer lithium battery equipped camera. I shot the 1Dc & 1DII for a while and loved them, but the battery situation is very annoying to me.

I see. Funny thing is, I had a 1D2 that I used for years, and never noticed anything annoying about the battery or the charging of it. Then again, I always have spare batteries, so I never cared, or even knew, how long it took a battery to charge.

When a battery got low, I would take it out of the camera and put one of the spares in. Then when I got home I would put the low battery in the charger . The next day, or whenever I happened to remember that there was a battery in the charger, I would go take it out and put it in my gear bag. There were always a couple of charged batteries floating around in my bag, so it never mattered if the charger took a couple hours or if it took all night. Each charged battery lasted a long time, anyway, like, a few thousand frames, so it's not like they needed to be charged frequently. I guess that's why I never found anything annoying about the batteries on my 1D2.

But I can see if you only have one battery then you would want/need it to charge quickly. But that begs the question, "Why wouldn't you just get a couple of spare batteries?" They're cheap!

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Something is wrong with my 5D classic - it has autofocus capabilities when it's not supposed to !!

J Bruja wrote in post #18076349
Something is wrong with my 5D classic - it has autofocus capabilities when it's not supposed to !!

As much as the AF gets talked about, it's always out of context, because it's being referenced in comparison to 10 year younger cameras with much more advanced systems. But the AF system of the 5D classic is literally the same as in the 5D II. They're good enough for most tasks. The 5D3's AF system is that of the 1DX, so of course it's in another league and that's the one time in the 5D line that suddenly they had a different AF engine going on. The 5D classic's outer points are not useless, they work fine in good enough light. They are not super sensitive F2.8 cross points with -3 EV sensitivity, which only started coming out these past few releases this year. But in decent light, the outer points can be used, it's not like it's just a center point AF only system. Granted, I use my center point virtually 99% of the time. But sometimes I just use an outer point when doing portrait, because in good light, it really does work fine.

Then again, I use the 5D classic for birds & wildlife, something it's not supposed to be used for too!

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MalVeauX wrote in post #18075674
These old bodies generally will not give you a shutter count. There are ways to "guess" at it based on the files, but it's not reliable, just gives you a shot in the dark. The only way to know for sure is to ask Canon, and that will cost money. Not worth it. Generally speaking, if you get an old camera like this, expect it to be end of life. And pay for it based on that--ie, don't over-pay. The old 1D's and 5D's have similar shutter life expectations as you'd find on modern cameras for the most part. It's not uncommon at all to find them with 150k~200k actuations. Remember, they're easily 8~10 years old. If you find one with only 10,000 actuations, I'd be skeptical honestly. I've bought a few that were over 180k and I'm pushing past 400~500k on one of my 5D's right now even. The expectation of the life of the shutter is a rating, it's not a guarantee. Some fail at 30k. Some go past 1 million (and end up in a museum!). I buy these old cameras often and I use them with wreckless abandon, when they're $100, $200 or $300, that's what you do. You don't get a 10 year old $200 camera and baby it, right? They're just tools that we use. I of course could have just skipped buying 4 of these old cameras and bought a modern one instead, but I just like the look of the older sensors.

Very best,

oh I see, thank you. I was just curious what the shutter count is on my current body, not for any other reason. I think I'm getting a 7d2 soon however I'll likely buy it new as I'm a little skeptical about used, refurbished, etc. That being said, I thought shutter count would be in the camera menu somewhere lol, like an odometer. No wonder I couldn't find it in the manual...
Thanks again

I've been hearing a lot of people talk about the Sony's recently. Can you tell me what the advantages are of a Sony over a comparable Canon? I was talking to a photographer recently and he said the shadowing detail on the Sony's was really good. Any other advantages? How about focusing? And I have a number of Canon L lenses. Would they work on a Sony?