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Jul 09, 2016 12:52 |  #1

I do not have the CC versions of either program. When I select 3 shots in LR, right click, and select edit in photoshop HDR, I just get a blank screen in photoshop. This worked fine when I had LR 4, but now I get nothing. I get a warning that I may need to update my photoshop camera raw plugin to 9.6 and that I should select update from the menu, but when I do that it says everything is up to date. My LR is 9.6, but my PS is 6.7.

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Jul 09, 2016 13:42 |  #2

See if you can do a manual update

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Jul 09, 2016 13:51 |  #3

It's looking like 6.7 is the highest PS cs5 will go. I have already tried installing 9.5 and according to my computer, everything installed just fine. But when I check PS to see which version, it continues to say 6.7. So it's looking to me like upgrading from LR 4 to 6 actually hurt me. Plus I now use the Canon 80d which could also be an issue.

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Jul 09, 2016 15:54 |  #4

Stefan A wrote in post #18062310 (external link)
It's looking like 6.7 is the highest PS cs5 will go. I have already tried installing 9.5 and according to my computer, everything installed just fine. But when I check PS to see which version, it continues to say 6.7. So it's looking to me like upgrading from LR 4 to 6 actually hurt me. Plus I now use the Canon 80d which could also be an issue.

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If you have LR 6, why don't you use the Photo Merge>HDR feature in LR, which in my experience is usually much better than Merge to HDR in PS because it is working directly with the Raw data to produce a 32 bit DNG that can be edited in LR with huge range and latitude.

The 80D has been supported since 6.5. The current version is 6.6.


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Jul 09, 2016 16:11 |  #5

tzalman wrote in post #18062396 (external link)
If you have LR 6, why don't you use the Photo Merge>HDR feature in LR, which in my experience is usually much better than Merge to HDR in PS because it is working directly with the Raw data to produce a 32 bit DNG that can be edited in LR with huge range and latitude.

The 80D has been supported since 6.5. The current version is 6.6.

This is what I would do. In my experiance using the LR RAW merge to HDR and Panorama work much better than the tools in PSCS5.

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Jul 09, 2016 17:50 |  #6

With photoshop I can play with the sliders and get the look I want. The LR HDR gives you no real control.


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Jul 09, 2016 18:56 |  #7

I thought the idea was to build the 32 bit DNG file first, from the multiple exposures, then process that DNG file through LR, with all of the RAW tools available. I didn't try out the HDR feature extensively with the CC trial I did, but I have played with the 16 bit DualISO files from ML, which work in a similar manner. The one thing I really noticed was that you have to forget almost everything you would normally do with a normal DR image. The image will need a lot more pushing about.

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Jul 09, 2016 19:17 |  #8

With photoshop, you create a .tif (there are a few choices here) out of the RAW images out of LR. When you select save as, it uploads the .tif back into LR. When you do it in PS, you get stuff like Radius, Strength, gamma, detail, exposure, shadows, highlights, saturation. With a slider for each one. You can go from the most natural looking photo to the ridiculously fake. I like having the control of the end result.

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Jul 09, 2016 21:58 as a reply to  @ Stefan A's post |  #9

Lightroom has all the control and more vs the photoshop hdr popup. Have you tried creating then editing an HDR in LR? You don't edit it in the preview screen, you edit it after it's merged.


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Jul 10, 2016 02:28 |  #10

The LR HDR gives you no real control.

No control? You have all the LR tone, color and filter functions that you would have for any Raw file but since you are working on a 32 bit Raw
(in a DNG wrapper) the range of the tonal controls is greatly expanded - the Exposure slider goes from -10 to +10 and the range of other tonal adjustments is similarly extended, although the UI remains the same.

With photoshop, you create a .tif (there are a few choices here) out of the RAW images out of LR. When you select save as, it uploads the .tif back into LR. When you do it in PS, you get stuff like Radius, Strength, gamma, detail, exposure, shadows, highlights, saturation. With a slider for each one. You can go from the most natural looking photo to the ridiculously fake. I like having the control of the end result.

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That is exactly the point. By sending your three (or however many) images to PS you are creating 3 tifs (PS can handle only tif, psd, or other rendered RGB images) which are then merged to one tif. Rendering a Raw file to an RGB tif image destroys most of the flexibility and range inherent in the Raw data; first a camera profile is applied - and can't be changed later, after the rendering is done - then white balance is applied, then a gamma correction curve (so the data is no longer linear) plus the "under the hood" curves that LR/ACR applies in versions 4, 5 and 6 (P.V. 2012). All this processing is baked in and can be only tweaked later in the tif. By doing the HDR merge in LR 6 from Raw files the linearity is maintained and you get a DNG for which profiles (camera and lens), WB, Highlight and Shadow detail extraction, HSL and all the other tools are fully functional.
Would you really prefer editing a tif to a Raw?
After you have finished in LR you can send a 16 bit tif rendering of the 32 bit DNG to PS or any other pixel editor (Nik plugins, for instance), if you so wish.


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Jul 10, 2016 09:45 |  #11

Well maybe I am just not understanding something. Yes, I know that once you create the HDR in LR you have the LR controls to further tweak. I also understand that it is always desirable to be working on a RAW image. But still, I am unable to get the HDR look I used to get in PS.


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Jul 10, 2016 10:36 |  #12

This guy more clearly sums up my feelings about the LR HDR. http://www.stuckincust​oms.com …om-6-and-hdr-wtfadobehdr/ (external link)


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Jul 10, 2016 10:53 |  #13

What if you convert the raw to a dng file...i couldnt use my cs4 bridge with my 70d raw files...but after i converted them with the adobe converter it worked fine


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Jul 10, 2016 11:22 |  #14

Thanks Dredaze! That fixed it.


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