1D IV Vs 7D Mark II Vs 1DX With 300mm f2.8L IS USM V1 ?

Before reading keep in mind I do not have any of the gear in my signature below, I recently had to sell all my gear due to Financial Issues. Jumping back in soon has got me thinking of the perfect setup I want and I loved the 1D Mark IV and the RAW files it gave me. I would prefer the 1DX as it's my dream camera but not exactly at my price point yet. So with that said, I am looking to get the 300mm f2.8L IS USM. My goal last year was to get the 1D Mark IV and 300mm f2.8L IS but was too much money and settled on the 70-200 f2.8 IS II to which worked perfectly fine for my needs but as I get more and more into Wildlife and especially Motorsports, I do wish for a bit more reach. Now onto my question. Is it even worth it to get the 1DX considering I will get more reach with the 7D Mark II and even 1D Mark IV? If I spend the extra $1,000-$2,000 on the 1DX would I even notice a difference (Pixel Density, Image Quality)? Sure the AF and low light are better but is it worth it considering I didn't mind the ISO on the 7D Mark II and 1D Mark IV (Having previously Owned Them).

Tough call. I'm just going to read along. I have a 1DIV, and sometimes ponder getting a used 1DX.

IF you need the reach of a 1.6X sensor and a 300mm lens, then the 7D2 is going to be better (or at the very least the equal) of either of the other two choices shot at 300mm and cropped to the same final image size.

IF you need the reach of a FF sensor and a 300mm lens, and are contemplating shooting that as compared to a 1.6X sensor with a 200mm lens, the 1DX will be a little better and the final image will look slightly different due to DOF changes associated with the larger sensor / longer lens combination.

This FM thread talks about testing done by Ari Hazeghi

1Dx beats 1D4 in reach limited scenario
http://www.fredmiranda​.com …rd=reach,limite​d#13430434

Aris article:
http://arihazeghiphoto​graphy.com …d-review-and-impressions/

Conclusion: (copy paste from the FM thread)
He tested ISO 400-1600-6400. Yes up to ISO 400 there is a resolution advantage for the 1D4. At 1600 the 1D4 image degradation due to noise becomes worse than the uprezzing artefacts and the 1Dx is actually better, though hardly noticeable in print (I think). At 6400 the 1Dx is a clear winner. Below ISO1600, better AF in 1Dx seems to also compensate for the resolution, as ever so slightly misfocused images can suffer substantial loss of detail. So basically in most cases, the 1Dx wins.

There seems to be a fair bit of agreement that at ISO400 and below the 1D4 has an advantage and that at ISO1600 and above 1DX has an advantage regarding image quality (and disregarding AF performance)

Choderboy wrote in post #18086142
This FM thread talks about testing done by Ari Hazeghi

1Dx beats 1D4 in reach limited scenario
http://www.fredmiranda​.com …rd=reach,limite​d#13430434

Aris article:
http://arihazeghiphoto​graphy.com …d-review-and-impressions/

Conclusion: (copy paste from the FM thread)
He tested ISO 400-1600-6400. Yes up to ISO 400 there is a resolution advantage for the 1D4. At 1600 the 1D4 image degradation due to noise becomes worse than the uprezzing artefacts and the 1Dx is actually better, though hardly noticeable in print (I think). At 6400 the 1Dx is a clear winner. Below ISO1600, better AF in 1Dx seems to also compensate for the resolution, as ever so slightly misfocused images can suffer substantial loss of detail. So basically in most cases, the 1Dx wins.

Thank you very much for the article, I think it just sold me on the 1DX and he listed one of the main issues I had with my 1D Mark IV so I guess I was not crazy after all.

Only other thing I have to ask is the AF point being constantly lite on the 1D Mark IV. Has that been added to the 1DX? That was one of the best features of the Camera.

I think that lit point was a firmware fix for the 1DX

I think you should be doing more to avoid the next bout of 'financial troubles' and seek a more modest gear list: think 7D with 55-250 STM and maybe a 150-600 C.

I just can't imagine ever over extending myself to the point where I have to sell all my gear and within a year later even have 1D anything in my vocabulary.

After using all the cameras above I would get the 1DX. You mention shooting a little wildlife, and the bigger battery will drive AF faster. Also, the AF performs better in low- light environments compared to the other cameras. However, if you're always shooting in bright situations/ won't use converters much you can't go wrong saving some money/ buying a 7dii.

FEChariot wrote in post #18086753
I think you should be doing more to avoid the next bout of 'financial troubles' and seek a more modest gear list: think 7D with 55-250 STM and maybe a 150-600 C.

I just can't imagine ever over extending myself to the point where I have to sell all my gear and within a year later even have 1D anything in my vocabulary.

Has nothing to do with the type of gear dude, I would sell my Computer if It came down to it. This is a hobby and my family / priorities come first. I was getting rather annoyed with the camera anyway so I don't regret it.The only thing I regret is selling the 70-200 to which the guy got an amazing deal, 1D Mark IV, 70-200 f2.8L IS II, 50mm STM for $2,000 via Craigslist.

I got so frustrated with the camera I just wanted it all gone. I do YouTube for a living and make enough money to afford all this gear but the camera was not working properly and February being one of the worst months to make money off of YouTube made my decision to get rid of it easier. Also if you want me to be honest, It took a hard fall from a tripod 4 feet onto tile during a focus test (See Picture below). It still fully functioned after the fall but drastically decreased the sell value of the camera. Sure I could of sent the body in but they wanted like $180 to check it (This was before it fall) and yeah It would of been tight but probably could of managed it financially and kept the gear if I really wanted to but why keep all this expensive gear if it doesn't work properly?

I have nothing but bad luck with Canon gear (No I am not switching). I currently have a T6s with the 55-250mm STM and hate it. I love the lens and have used it for several years on a few different bodies (70D, T6s, 7D II) but I seem to always have camera issues. I've owned 2 70Ds, 2 6Ds, 7D Mark II, T5, 1D Mark IV, T6s and several lenses from cheap to Medium Telephoto whites. I hate the smaller bodies and at this point only want a full size 1D style body even if the smaller cameras have Battery grips. It's all about personal preference not necessarily Bang for your buck and as I said, It is purely a hobby, I rarely make money from Photography Although I would love to but I cannot be confident in myself to do paid shoots if I am always having camera issues ie Focusing in most cases..

DJHaze596 wrote in post #18086934
Has nothing to do with the type of gear dude, I would sell my Computer if It came down to it. This is a hobby and my family / priorities come first.

This is exactly my point. Instead of over extending yourself on toys where you are using them as liquid assets that you have to sell at half the market value, build a savings up to cover the ebbs in the income flow. Invest this $5K-10K you are thinking about putting towards toys in a liquid investment of some sort. This way come next February, you aren't giving away the next set of gear.

Or better yet, go ahead and splurge. Just PM me when you need to unload the next round of gear next February real cheap and I'll 'help' you out.

FEChariot wrote in post #18087157
This is exactly my point. Instead of over extending yourself on toys where you are using them as liquid assets that you have to sell at half the market value, build a savings up to cover the ebbs in the income flow. Invest this $5K-10K you are thinking about putting towards toys in a liquid investment of some sort. This way come next February, you aren't giving away the next set of gear.

Or better yet, go ahead and splurge. Just PM me when you need to unload the next round of gear next February real cheap and I'll 'help' you out.

Agree but if the gear worked properly and my luck with Canon didn't suck, I would never have to sell any of my gear.

DJHaze596 wrote in post #18087164
Agree but if the gear worked properly and my luck with Canon didn't suck, I would never have to sell any of my gear.

Ok that is fair but when you have had problems with 8 different bodies from your post above, I tend to think there is one commonality. That commonality however is not Canon, since the majority of users don't seem to be having the same problems.

I definitely get less in focus shots with my old 350D Rebel than my 7D but I would expect that. So buying a better camera can help with consistency and this jump in consistency is going to be larger going from a Rebel to a 7D2 than a 7D2 to a 1Dx, but you really shouldn't be having issues with better cameras in the xD range.

So what specifically where the issues you have had in the past?

FEChariot wrote in post #18087181
So what specifically where the issues you have had in the past?

Always focusing issues, meaning I never get consistent results. The 1D Mark IV gave me the best consistency out of all the cameras I've had but could not track my kid at all. There is so much I could dive into but don't want to type for an hour. I use to think it was user error or my lenses but after doing days of testing, I can say it's the camera in most cases. For example, My T6s is having a similar issue that I quoted from the article above that happen to my 1D Mark IV. You take a picture and its sharp, you take another one and it's sharp, but the next one will be completely out. This happens all the time on my T6s and it's really noticeable at f2.8 - f4. Having the 55-250mm STM you don't notice it as much but sticking a 70-200 on it makes it very noticeable.

Most people will recognize that you get some misses with AF systems. I'd say that in challenging conditions (like, a basketball in typical high school lighting) you will get occasional misses pretty much as a matter of course. In this I mean misses where they look good on the rear LCD but are just a bit off once viwed on a monitor. I'd say I used to lose 10-20% of my shots to these kinds of misses with a 1D4 + 70-200/2.8 IS II combination.

If you want to avoid these kinds of misses my suggestion would be to get a 5D3, 1Dx, 7D2, or 1Dx2 and then use it with the 24-70 II, 70-200 IS II and 100-400 II. These lenses and bodies have an improved approach to AF and I find that they seem to miss very infrequently when used together.