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Aug 06, 2016 12:20 |  #16

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Heh, even old ladies will bark at you if they spot you with a camera pointed in their direction.

I rarely experience confrontations, but this very thing happened to me a couple of weeks ago while standing in the aisle on a Manhattan bus. I wasn't taking any photos, but i needed to look through the viewfinder to adjust some settings in the menu. I didn't want to point the camera down toward the woman seated beside me, so I chose to point it down the aisle with most of the passengers' backs toward me. In public places I'll sometimes cover the lens with my free hand so as to diffuse any alarmists, but to my regret I didn't do it this time. Naturally, there was an old crow of a woman berating me shortly thereafter. I tried to explain what I was doing and that I didn't have the slightest interest in her photo, but that didn't satisfy her. I went further, stating that even if I wanted to take her image I was in my right. Then she made some idle threat about taking the camera from me. So I said, "in that case", while shooting several images of her, "I am going to take a few," explaining how I'd use them to ID her if she so much as touched me or my equipment.


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Aug 06, 2016 12:35 |  #17

The thing about these confrontations with overprotective parents, is that the potential threat is statistically so remote. If people put half as much effort into addressing our real problems with children such as healthcare, nutrition, education, supervision, traffic control, and the far more prevalent abuse suffered at the hands of friends and family members, children would be much better off. Of course, that takes real work, while tilting at windmills will score you more points for the cosmetic victories.


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Aug 06, 2016 13:13 |  #18

"stranger danger" has likely done far more harm to public perceptions than any good that would have come from it. statistically if someone is going to harm your kids, they personally know your kids, but that didnt fit the narrative that was being pushed at the time.

so everyone is afraid of everyone just like they are afraid of everything... sigh. what a time.


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Aug 06, 2016 13:23 |  #19

Are there any documented cases of strangers photographing kids in public and then abducting them or otherwise harming them? It isn't clear what scenario the upset parents have in mind.


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Aug 06, 2016 13:36 |  #20

eddieb1 wrote in post #18088060 (external link)
You answered your own question. The writer wants to stir the pot so the reader continues to read. That's the biggest problem with freedom of speech. You can spew almost any kind of crap you want, and all that will usually happen will be an "Oops, sorry" from the writer. You see it on television all the time. A person is named, photo shown, and any info the news media can find, before the person is convicted of anything. You rarely hear of a retraction. If there is one, it's a blurb at the end of the 11:00 news after most people are in bed, and the accused has had their lives ruined.

Very true. The media is driven by ratings, which keep the money flowing.


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Aug 06, 2016 13:56 |  #21
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And keeping everyone scared and distrustful of everyone, even family members and acquaintances, just gives the state more power to intrude further and deeper into our lives. At these rate the police is gonna be installing cameras in our bedrooms, kitchens and bathrooms "for our own protection and to record evidence, just in case something happens". :rolleyes:


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Aug 06, 2016 14:16 |  #22

OhLook wrote in post #18088209 (external link)
Are there any documented cases of strangers photographing kids in public and then abducting them or otherwise harming them? It isn't clear what scenario the upset parents have in mind.

Logic escapes people. There have been threads here on POTN (several years ago) where several people hotly proposed that putting photographs of your own children online was taking some kind of huge risk. I'd challenge these people as to what risk they envisioned, and they never could come up with anything specific.

When you think about some random pedophile sorting through literally millions of photographs online, then tracking down where one specific kid lives, and then driving halfway across the country to find this one kid......it all starts to sound just as silly as it is.

Pinebomb hit the nail on the head in post #17. Any real molestation danger to kids will come from someone they know and trust in 99.99% of cases.


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Aug 06, 2016 14:23 |  #23

Done what?

Years ago I posted a similar thread..."photographin​g kids in a public park and parents called the cops"
White daddy shooting black kids...not wanting to create a scene in front of kids, I submitted my ID and was checked out.
Did get a picture though.

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Aug 06, 2016 14:27 |  #24

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Very true. The media is driven by ratings, which keep the money flowing.

and by sensationalism which serves the same purpose!


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Aug 06, 2016 14:28 as a reply to  @ JeffreyG's post |  #25
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Likewise with photos of strangers and random people. Even if you upload them to Flickr or publish them in a book. WHO, other than the subjects relatives, friends or co-workers is gonna be recognising her (and I use the feminine in this case because it's usually women getting freaked out over this, not because I bow to poo-litical nonsensess) and start a stalking campaign?

I've images of female passers-by on my Flickr (taken with a telephoto :eek:, oh trouts, what a pervert I am! :cry: :rolleyes: ) and so far nobody has ever contacted me asking for their particulars, address or phone number. I mean, really, how ridiculous can some people get?


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Aug 06, 2016 15:00 as a reply to  @ post 18087867 |  #26

Very well said Ron (frozenframe).

It certainly is a different sad world today when someone in a public park with a camera or cellphone is accused of something and is presumed guilty just because some people are uncomfortable with them.


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Aug 06, 2016 16:24 |  #27

Archibald wrote in post #18088224 (external link)
Very true. The media is driven by ratings, which keep the money flowing.

itsallart wrote in post #18088275 (external link)
and by sensationalism which serves the same purpose!

The goal is to make money, which is done by boosting ratings (so advertisers have a bigger audience), which is achieved by sensationalism, spin, music, drumbeats, bobbing of heads, graphics, and injecting emotion into stories.

Most folks are not particularly aware of this and quite enjoy how the media presents the news.


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Aug 06, 2016 16:48 as a reply to  @ Archibald's post |  #28

I'm glad, I'm not like most folks; sensationalism makes me sick


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Aug 06, 2016 17:28 |  #29

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Aug 07, 2016 05:37 |  #30

Anyone ever watch the "photography is not a crime" group on YouTube?

Hold your ground if confronted on public property. If they threaten to call the police, tell them to do it, if the officer knows the law they'll tell them to pound sand. No expectation of privacy in public.

And even the police can't search your camera without a warrant or force you to delete something. If they cause trouble, record your interactions with them and get their name and badge number.

(This is based on US first amendment law, other countries may vary drastically)


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