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Aug 07, 2016 06:07 |  #31

PKIDelirium wrote in post #18088740 (external link)
Hold your ground if confronted on public property.

"Help, help - here's a suspicious looking guy with a big heavy bag with black content that looks like several guns and ammunition." I bet that the following encounter with the law enforcement will be not a friendly banter about the first amendment. There is no reasoning with fear - even if you are right.

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Aug 07, 2016 06:16 |  #32

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When I lived in the Bay Area, one TV station general manager said what sells is "sluts, guts and nuts."

With the digital TV they can exactly see how many people are watching which program. So we choose what we like to watch and turn the TV off for the rubbish.
If we all do that, maybe a lot of rubbish will disappear?




  
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Aug 07, 2016 09:52 |  #33

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With the digital TV they can exactly see how many people are watching which program. So we choose what we like to watch and turn the TV off for the rubbish.
If we all do that, maybe a lot of rubbish will disappear?

But watchers LOVE the rubbish. The media is providing what the public wants.


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Aug 07, 2016 10:49 |  #34

PKIDelirium wrote in post #18088740 (external link)
Anyone ever watch the "photography is not a crime" group on YouTube?

Hold your ground if confronted on public property. If they threaten to call the police, tell them to do it, if the officer knows the law they'll tell them to pound sand. No expectation of privacy in public.

And even the police can't search your camera without a warrant or force you to delete something. If they cause trouble, record your interactions with them and get their name and badge number.

(This is based on US first amendment law, other countries may vary drastically)

You may want to stand there and argue "rights" with a person in uniform with a gun, but I'll just pack up my stuff and move along quietly. If you don't watch t.v., you might want to. Several people have been killed recently arguing "rights" on the street. Or with all the people carrying guns legally, of illegally, I wouldn't want to get into a pissing match with an irate parent.




  
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Aug 07, 2016 12:02 as a reply to  @ Lyn2011's post |  #35

That's probably true. The only problem is we like rubbish.

EDIT: This was meant as a reply to Lyn2011, posted before I saw later posts.


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Aug 07, 2016 12:18 |  #36

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You may want to stand there and argue "rights" with a person in uniform with a gun, but I'll just pack up my stuff and move along quietly. If you don't watch t.v., you might want to. Several people have been killed recently arguing "rights" on the street. Or with all the people carrying guns legally, of illegally, I wouldn't want to get into a pissing match with an irate parent.

This type of mentality is how you create corruption and further detach people from the Bill of Rights.

You should NEVER be afraid to stand up for your rights. That doesn't mean be a beligerant A-hole, but don't just let cops walk all over you either.


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Aug 07, 2016 13:02 |  #37

EverydayGetaway wrote in post #18088994 (external link)
This type of mentality is how you create corruption and further detach people from the Bill of Rights.

You should NEVER be afraid to stand up for your rights. That doesn't mean be a beligerant A-hole, but don't just let cops walk all over you either.

You stand up for your rights in court. Not on the street. Your rights will be quickly extinguished if your dead. It would be wonderful if the average street cop knew the law. Most don't. That's where the issues occur. Whether it's 1st or 2nd amendment rights, you rarely, now days, win on the streets. And I never said let a cop walk all over you. But that's what will happen, if you're belligerent or not. You, my friend, can take on the police on the street, I'll see them in court.




  
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Aug 07, 2016 13:06 |  #38
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EverydayGetaway wrote in post #18088994 (external link)
This type of mentality is how you create corruption and further detach people from the Bill of Rights.

You should NEVER be afraid to stand up for your rights. That doesn't mean be a beligerant A-hole, but don't just let cops walk all over you either.

This. No need to argue with the cops: simply expostulate with them, maintaining your cool. Granted: expostulating with the angry parents will get you nowhere, but with the police it should be different. If one were to just suck it up and leave with one's tail 'twixt one's legs that only makes you look guilty and emboldens them. Standing up for your rights doesn't mean raising your voice, using strong language or thumping everyone who doesn't agree with you on the head with your camera.


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Aug 07, 2016 13:35 |  #39

eddieb1 wrote in post #18089028 (external link)
You stand up for your rights in court. Not on the street. Your rights will be quickly extinguished if your dead. It would be wonderful if the average street cop knew the law. Most don't. That's where the issues occur. Whether it's 1st or 2nd amendment rights, you rarely, now days, win on the streets. And I never said let a cop walk all over you. But that's what will happen, if you're belligerent or not. You, my friend, can take on the police on the street, I'll see them in court.

You can't see them in court if you don't confront them or stand up for yourself. I'll leave in handcuffs before I let a cop take my camera from me and delete pictures I want to keep. I've had a few run-ins with the law, thankfully never been detained, but I always stand my ground if I know I'm in the right.

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This. No need to argue with the cops: simply expostulate with them, maintaining your cool. Granted: expostulating with the angry parents will get you nowhere, but with the police it should be different. If one were to just suck it up and leave with one's tail 'twixt one's legs that only makes you look guilty and emboldens them. Standing up for your rights doesn't mean raising your voice, using strong language or thumping everyone who doesn't agree with you on the head with your camera.

This.


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Aug 07, 2016 21:41 |  #40

really wish my bad eyes didn't make the thread title look like pork+chops.

i like pork chops.


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Aug 08, 2016 12:55 as a reply to  @ Left Handed Brisket's post |  #41

What I can't grasp is why the moderators don't step in given that every single post in the thread is off topic.

I see not even one photo of people eating pork chops in public.


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Aug 08, 2016 13:10 |  #42

Don't you hold your cellphone out in front of you to play Pokemon Go?


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Aug 08, 2016 13:17 |  #43

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really wish my bad eyes didn't make the thread title look like pork+chops.

i like pork chops.

For the same reason I really wish your last name wasn't Brisket. I'm glad I finally got that off my chest.


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Aug 08, 2016 13:25 |  #44

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Don't you hold your cellphone out in front of you to play Pokemon Go?

Yes, and players have been assaulted and even killed for doing so by people who misunderstood.


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Aug 08, 2016 13:51 |  #45

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Yes, and players have been assaulted and even killed for doing so by people who misunderstood.

Replace the wording of "Pokemon Go player" with "Person going about their daily life" in any of those news stories, and things get far less sensational without distorting the actual facts.


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