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August, 2017 Total solar eclipse. Too soon to start planning?

 
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Jun 20, 2017 17:13 |  #76

It looks like Celestron (the company, not the POTN member) might be in the running for the dumbest solar eclipse product.
Are they kidding ? Point your camera at the Sun and hold this in front of the lens. How do you do that with only two hands and not cremate your camera or possibly your eyeball, in the process ?

The rest of the things in your link are fine. Just not that idea.

Find the appropriate sized version of this style (external link) to suit your lens. Have it in place for the partial phases and when Eclipse Orchestrator tells you to take it off, just slide it off and then it slides back on at the end of totality. Simple and safe.

During totality you want no filters and take a range of exposures. Again, Eclipse Orchestrator will suggest appropriate shutters speeds for your lens and will control the camera for you so you can spend your time enjoying the spectacle.

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Jun 21, 2017 08:39 as a reply to  @ post 18382394 |  #77

The time from first contact (C1) when the Moon first starts to cover the Sun until fourth contact (C4) when the moon moves off the sun is nearly 3 hours (it will vary slightly depending on where you are and how close you are to the center line.) I get 2 hours 47 minutes when I punch in the location where I plan to observe.

For all but a couple of minutes of this, you won't have totality.

During totality you don't need any filter at all.

For everything else (and this includes 99% eclipsed... when we say "totality" here... we actually mean that the disk of the sun is 100% covered) you'll need the filter.

But this means that filter will be on your lens for more than an hour (closer to 1.5 hours), it will come off for a couple of minutes, and then it will go back on for another roughly 1.5 hours. You won't want to hand-hold that.

The filter needs to be secured to the front of the lens. You have a few options here.

You can buy filters that are sized for your lens. If you wanted to get a thread-on filter, those are available too (Thousand Oaks Optical makes them). But the more popular type are the ones that fit over the front like a cap. Size them so that the inner-diameter of that cap is at least as large as the outer-diameter of the front of your lens. Thousand Oaks usually includes felt strips that adhere to the inside and you use this to create a moderately snug fit. Some models have nylon screws to snug them down (without scratching the lens).

But if you're handy with a craft knife, you can buy a sheet of solar film, get a piece of heavy card-stock, and make your own filter. Find a cardboard tube with a diameter large enough to fit over the front of your lens and use that to build a filter... cutting the solar film to fit. I have a few commercial filters ... but I have a lot of friends in the club who make their own. There's pretty much no difference in terms of the optical quality so as long as a home-made filter fits and works, you'll get the same results.

BTW... these sheets are film are like mylar. When you build your own filter, it WILL have wrinkles in it... don't worry about the wrinkles, they're not going to effect the optical quality (you won't see any evidence of wrinkles in your photos.)

You'll need a solid tripod. The Sun/Moon will keep drifting out of your field of view if you don't have a tracking head ... so you'll want to keep checking the composition and nudging the camera position to keep everything in your frame.

As totality approaches, you'll need to do one last composition, framing, and double-check focus BEFORE you remove that filter. So about a minute before totality, check that the sun/moon are just left of the center of your frame. The sun moves 1/2 of it's diameter every minute... or it's entire diameter in 2 minutes. Since totality lasts (for you) about 2.5 minutes that means the sun will move 1.25 times it's width during that time. But remember... you'll be doing the final composition about a minute before totality starts... so you'd want to position the sun just fractionally more than one full solar diameter left of the center of your frame.


To avoid leaving anything important at home... setup everything at home and simulate the event. If you need a laptop, tethering cable... or if you're using a remote intervalometer, or smartphone software to control your camera, etc. Filters, lenses, teleconverters, etc. Whatever you need, make sure you have everything. Now take everything you just used for your test and make absolutely certain it gets packed for you trip.

I have (twice now actually) traveled hours to do astronomy events and discovered something critical got left behind.




  
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Jul 03, 2017 22:22 |  #78

sporadic wrote in post #18362107 (external link)
Has anyone created their own square filter from solar filter sheets? I just picked up a 4x4 Thousand Oaks black polymer sheet from Amazon - https://www.amazon.com …ars-Cameras/dp/B00DS7IFQS (external link). Was thinking of fashioning a rigid holder for adaptation to a Cokin style filter holder. Unless my lens line up changes, I'm thinking of using a EF 300 F/4L adapted to my X-T1.


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Jul 03, 2017 22:26 as a reply to  @ post 18364797 |  #79

using the cardboard on Cokin filter holder

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Jul 05, 2017 13:19 |  #80

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I plan on leaving my camera in the bag during the eclipse and to just enjoy the spectacle. Ordered our eclipse glasses - they should be here any day.

I'm not an astrophotographer and that's my plan as well. Here's (external link) an interesting B&H podcast on shooting it. At 38:25 guest Dr. Tyler Nordgren, astronomer/photographe​r, advises first-timers to not even try to shoot it, but just burn those precious seconds of spectacle into your memory, and wait for your 2nd eclipse experience to attempt to record it.
I'll just wait for S.R.M to post some gorgeous photos! :-)

BTW, sorry if mentioned previously, but this (external link) site is a wealth of all-around info on this and other eclipses. This (external link) spectacular image from it is state-of-the-art.

Interestingly, I'll be doing what Dr. Nordgren is planning: setting up a wide angle and shooting the general area, capturing the landscape/sky/people and their reactions. He's doing a time-lapse, I'm doing video on my 5DIV, with my eyes glued on the sky in Ontario, OR.

Good Luck to everyone! :-D


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Jul 06, 2017 11:22 |  #81

I think I've posted this in the forum before, but here's a pretty easy DIY filter - solar film mounted between two pieces of cardboard, with a step-up ring glued to it so that it can be screwed onto your lens.

It works ok. I just have to be careful when screwing it on to be gentle. If I were better at DIY stuff, it would look nicer. Still cheap and easy, though.

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Aug 05, 2017 18:50 |  #82

Just booked my flights to Denver, then driving 4 hours to Nebraska! then Googled 'How to shoot a solar eclipse' :lol:


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Aug 05, 2017 21:18 |  #83

DonJuanMair wrote in post #18420185 (external link)
Just booked my flights to Denver, then driving 4 hours to Nebraska! then Googled 'How to shoot a solar eclipse' :lol:

8 hour drive for me each way. Gonna be a long day for sure.


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Aug 06, 2017 08:58 |  #84

For those of us going out west, we're going to want to keep an eye on the wildfire situation, particularly in BC. Smoke plumes have been drifting into Oregon, Idaho and Wyoming. If the fires in Canada don't subside, smoke could affect eclipse viewing.


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Aug 06, 2017 13:18 |  #85

gjl711 wrote in post #18420268 (external link)
8 hour drive for me each way. Gonna be a long day for sure.

That is long my friend! sure itll all be worth it though :-)

Mike Deep wrote in post #18420456 (external link)
For those of us going out west, we're going to want to keep an eye on the wildfire situation, particularly in BC. Smoke plumes have been drifting into Oregon, Idaho and Wyoming. If the fires in Canada don't subside, smoke could affect eclipse viewing.

I was thinking about this, sure would suck if this happened.


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Aug 06, 2017 13:55 |  #86

DonJuanMair wrote in post #18420625 (external link)
That is long my friend! sure itll all be worth it though :-)
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I'll have help. One passenger/driver for sure and another maybe.


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Aug 06, 2017 17:51 |  #87

Seems close to 500,000 people are heading to NE for it!


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Aug 06, 2017 22:04 |  #88

DonJuanMair wrote in post #18420775 (external link)
Seems close to 500,000 people are heading to NE for it!

Yikes. Any sources on this?


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Aug 08, 2017 03:02 |  #89

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Pick a night with a full moon and use that (the moon won't be traveling in the correct direction but the distance it covers across the sky will be about the same) -or- if you have a solar filter on the camera then you can use the actual sun (with filters on at all times) to simulate how far the sun will move in the duration of the eclipse. This will help you practice getting the sun into the correct start location in your frame so that it finishes out the eclipse in the right spot.

Thanks to your guidance throughout this thread, I successfully executed two dry runs via Solar Eclipse Maestro on the full moon this evening. Using a 400mm APS-C (3.2° x 2.1° FoV), it takes about 4.5 minutes from the moon's trailing edge appearing in the viewfinder until the moon's center splits the FoV. As long as it's pointed at the correct azimuth during max there should be minimal to no horizontal adjustments. The scripts are whittled down so it's only in full autopilot for the 5 minutes before and after max eclipse -- save for removing/applying the filter -- which means only capturing 96% obscured or higher of the partials, in addition to all the totality jewels. (Good enough for me!)

Only remaining concern is knocking the camera out of alignment when dealing with the filter. It'll need to be "resting" on the lens, with maybe an 1/8th turn to keep it a tad secure. (Imagine messing that part up with only 10 seconds to correct!) Probably also a good idea to practice a few times.

Think I'm ready. Now for the weather to cooperate...


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Aug 09, 2017 01:14 as a reply to  @ Mike Deep's post |  #90

I'd have to try and find this one. I have been digging through article after article in preparation for this trip. May have got lost somewhere.

One thing I'm looking forward to seeing, is drone footage from this eclipse. I bet there will be some epic scenes.


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