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Sep 11, 2016 21:29 |  #1876

This thread should (have) put a restraining order on me :)

Trying to decide just how much I want this camera for $3,500 (more like $3,375 after some ebay bucks + cashback). Oddly, it's my wife again who is rushing me to buy one. I know it would be a nice tax return write off for my business. But I'm almost paralyzed when I have to buy something without finding an awesome deal of some sort. :)

For real estate projects I'm set: Sony A7RII + Metabones IV + Canon glass. Off camera flashes are controlled by a transmitter that doesn't really care that it's attached to a Sony body, it works well (originally designed for Canon though).

But for events and weddings, I'm stuck a little bit. My #1 body is my 5D3. Then #2 is a tie between my 6D and 80D depending on what is happening around me. Obviously I prefer the 6D's IQ but the 80D's AF, including the DPAF is way more advanced, easier to work with. I really enjoy shooting photos at the reception using live view and DPAF on the 80D.

So basically I know I need to sell my 6D, probably wife's T4i, and maybe keep the 80D (because of it's articulated screen which my wife loves). Plus the 80D would/could become her camera to use replacing the T4i (mostly photographing her students working at the lab.) And I could still use it for wildlife but the 5DIV may now be better for that too with the MP count.

What do you guys think?


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Sep 11, 2016 21:32 |  #1877

gabebalazs wrote in post #18124861 (external link)
This thread should (have) put a restraining order on me :)

Trying to decide just how much I want this camera for $3,500 (more like $3,375 after some ebay bucks + cashback). Oddly, it's my wife again who is rushing me to buy one. I know it would be a nice tax return write off for my business. But I'm almost paralyzed when I have to buy something without finding an awesome deal of some sort. :)

For real estate projects I'm set: Sony A7RII + Metabones IV + Canon glass. Off camera flashes are controlled by a transmitter that doesn't really care that it's attached to a Sony body, it works well (originally designed for Canon though).

But for events and weddings, I'm stuck a little bit. My #1 body is my 5D3. Then #2 is a tie between my 6D and 80D depending on what is happening around me. Obviously I prefer the 6D's IQ but the 80D's AF, including the DPAF is way more advanced, easier to work with. I really enjoy shooting photos at the reception using live view and DPAF on the 80D.

So basically I know I need to sell my 6D, probably wife's T4i, and maybe keep the 80D (because of it's articulated screen which my wife loves). Plus the 80D would/could become her camera to use replacing the T4i (mostly photographing her students working at the lab.) And I could still use it for wildlife but the 5DIV may now be better for that too with the MP count.

What do you guys think?

Gabe,

Sell the 6D... Sell the 5D3... keep the 80D... Sell the T4i.. Have A7, 5D4 and 80D combo. Seriously thats enough bodies and great combo. I bet once you use the 5D4 that you wouldn't need the A7 anymore. I've seen a huge upgrade at least to my standards from the 5D3!


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Sep 11, 2016 21:33 |  #1878

Too soon to really be telling you to buy, only had it a few hours, but seems like a heck of a lot of camera to me!


AF During Live view question:

So I mounted the 40mm STM, and went to live view. I tried using the touch screen to get it to focus (for instance on my white, reasonably well lit keyboard) and it looks like I am doing it right (little brackets or squares appear on the screen where I press) but absolutely no movement fo the focus motor.

When I switch back to view finder and use normal AF, it jumps right to focus.

Am I missing a setting in the menu to get it to focus via the touch screen?

This is the only FF STM lens I own. I thought it was the best for live view/video? Should I be trying with a USM lens instead?


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Sep 11, 2016 21:39 |  #1879

Hmm, when I set it to green box mode, ie: when I let it AF via the shutter button without changing my BBF settings, it works perfectly. Are you telling me that I have to disable BBF focus if I want to use the touch screen? How weird is that?


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Sep 11, 2016 21:50 |  #1880

CyberDyneSystems wrote in post #18124868 (external link)
Hmm, when I set it to green box mode, ie: when I let it AF via the shutter button without changing my BBF settings, it works perfectly. Are you telling me that I have to disable BBF focus if I want to use the touch screen? How weird is that?

not sure I don't bbf like that my shutter is still my main focus. I use the bbf for switching to registered point or af function.


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Sep 11, 2016 21:55 |  #1881

Just turned on viewfinder grid and level,.. COOL!

The little bells and whistles are really amazing.

Did a very cursory quick test of wifi to my cell phone., took me a second to realize I had to use the cell phone to choose the camera (duh) but then it was working immediately. Browsed and deleted images that are on the camera from the phone, and took a few remote shots. Forgot to try and transfer an image to the phone though. Maybe later.


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Sep 11, 2016 21:56 |  #1882

Talley wrote in post #18124863 (external link)
Gabe,

Sell the 6D... Sell the 5D3... keep the 80D... Sell the T4i.. Have A7, 5D4 and 80D combo. Seriously thats enough bodies and great combo. I bet once you use the 5D4 that you wouldn't need the A7 anymore. I've seen a huge upgrade at least to my standards from the 5D3!

I need to keep the 5D3, I need 2 similar bodies for weddings and events (5D3 +5DIV??)
As for the A7RII, one big plus during my real estate shoots is the flippy screen. I don't have to kneel any more for most interior shots, I just angle the screen upwards and hold the camera below my chest. Otherwise, the 5DIV could replace it I'm sure.


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Sep 11, 2016 22:01 |  #1883

The two 5Ds will be a great wedding pair. Even with all of the (dizzying array at this point) new features on the 5D4, the control layout for shooting stills remains near identical. (like 7D2 and 5D3 as well)

I was always pretty darn happy with the 5D3 AF and IQ, but both have been eclipsed in the 5D4. It's pretty amazing.


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Sep 11, 2016 22:13 |  #1884

gabebalazs wrote in post #18124887 (external link)
I need to keep the 5D3, I need 2 similar bodies for weddings and events (5D3 +5DIV??)
As for the A7RII, one big plus during my real estate shoots is the flippy screen. I don't have to kneel any more for most interior shots, I just angle the screen upwards and hold the camera below my chest. Otherwise, the 5DIV could replace it I'm sure.

I was originally going to say to sell the A7 and keep the 5d3 and 80d and add 5D4.

oh well. flippy screen wins every time it seems.


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Sep 11, 2016 22:14 |  #1885

CyberDyneSystems wrote in post #18124890 (external link)
The two 5Ds will be a great wedding pair. Even with all of the (dizzying array at this point) new features on the 5D4, the control layout for shooting stills remains near identical. (like 7D2 and 5D3 as well)

I was always pretty darn happy with the 5D3 AF and IQ, but both have been eclipsed in the 5D4. It's pretty amazing.

This after two days has amazed me. I'm using mostly 3rd party glass and they are even more accurate on this body. Seriously this thing hasn't missed. Never seen it before.


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Sep 11, 2016 22:25 |  #1886

Talley wrote in post #18124900 (external link)
This after two days has amazed me. I'm using mostly 3rd party glass and they are even more accurate on this body. Seriously this thing hasn't missed. Never seen it before.


Hmm, maybe I should be testing some glass other than my little STM and 100-400mm so far.. :)


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Sep 11, 2016 22:25 |  #1887

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Hey Talley. I have a question for you that lies somewhere in the realm of the subjective. Every new camera I've ever used produces a distinct kind of sensor-specific 'look' or 'feel' (nothing to do with noise, etc.). It was one of those intangible things that made me fall in love with the 5D3. If you get what I'm saying, how would you characterize the 5D4 vs the 5D3 in terms of that 'feel'. If anyone else wishes to chime in please feel free. Thanks in advance.

well I've only had 2 days with the camera now and the next two days will be two days back to back of 8U kids baseball. One daytime and one nighttime... that of which I was NEVER able to take anything decent at all the prior two seasons because of poor lighting and flickering lights. 5D3 just couldn't keep up and the higher ISO and puke lighting made me cringe. SO...

all I can say right now is the look of the images is like a layer of wax paper has been removed sorta... just an extra layer of clarity and a smidge more pop. Nothing dramatic but the detail/clarity is noticeable. I know we talk about how great this camera body is over a 5D3 and believe me I'm more tickled about all the bells/whistles menu options and customizing options than the IQ but the IQ has a nice boost.

I'll end on this note. NEVER.... EVER have I EVER been able to +100 shadows on any canon canon previously without having the shadow noise take over... I can DO just that on the 5D3 AND I've also increased exposure by 1.5 stops and the shadows are clean. I'm wowed by this alone.

EDIT: I've taken 700 photos so far... many test shots just to make sure lenses are micro adjusted properly... it's time to go shoot tomorrow ;)


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Sep 11, 2016 22:34 |  #1888

Tammy 70-200mm VC is dead bang fast and accurate! In an office with less than ideal lighting.
(but consistently underexposing by a full stop or so?)


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Sep 11, 2016 22:36 |  #1889

Talley wrote in post #18124912 (external link)
well I've only had 2 days with the camera now and the next two days will be two days back to back of 8U kids baseball. One daytime and one nighttime... that of which I was NEVER able to take anything decent at all the prior two seasons because of poor lighting and flickering lights. 5D3 just couldn't keep up and the higher ISO and puke lighting made me cringe. SO...

all I can say right now is the look of the images is like a layer of wax paper has been removed sorta... just an extra layer of clarity and a smidge more pop. Nothing dramatic but the detail/clarity is noticeable. I know we talk about how great this camera body is over a 5D3 and believe me I'm more tickled about all the bells/whistles menu options and customizing options than the IQ but the IQ has a nice boost.

I'll end on this note. NEVER.... EVER have I EVER been able to +100 shadows on any canon canon previously without having the shadow noise take over... I can DO just that on the 5D3 AND I've also increased exposure by 1.5 stops and the shadows are clean. I'm wowed by this alone.

EDIT: I've taken 700 photos so far... many test shots just to make sure lenses are micro adjusted properly... it's time to go shoot tomorrow ;)

Thanks for taking the time Talley. Very interesting comment you make about the customization. Frankly if we are just talking IQ I really don't feel the need for an upgrade over the 5D3. It is more camera than I need 99% of the time. Where I find the limitation is, particularly vs a camera like the 7D2 is the rather limited firmware. For instance, there is no EC in manual mode on the 5D3 and the minimum shutter speeds for Auto ISO in the semi-auto modes suck. I see no reason why those things could't be written into the 5D3 and it kind of bugs me that they aren't there. It is an intentional knee-capping on the part of Canon. It is more the 5D3's lack of customization that will push me toward a 5D4 than the sensor.


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Sep 11, 2016 22:38 |  #1890

CyberDyneSystems wrote in post #18124917 (external link)
Tammy 70-200mm VC is dead bang fast and accurate! In an office with less than ideal lighting.
(but consistently underexposing by a full stop or so?)

mine isn't under exposing... could be the T stop rating... I notice that canon does some trickery knowing it's lenses even in RAW it adjusts the exposure based on it's available T stop but it doesn't know other lenses. You can test this by shooting a canon glass mounted... then slightly twist the lens off disconnecting it but leaving it on the mount and taking the photo again with the same exact settings and you'll see a darker exposure. shoot this in manual mode... and wide open of course.

Makes you wonder if the canon L glass really is better or if there is some hidden "adjustments" going on with the camera knowing it's canon L glass.... everyone preaches canon colors but if they can boost the exposure via iso boost at the raw level then whats to stop them from adjusting blacks/colors making them slightly more vibrant...

make sense?... go try it and you'll see.

Also... don't try live view... it trips the camera out but yes the tammy is 100% as fast and accurate as the 70-200 2.8 II


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