Canon 5D Mark IV -- Time to Discuss!

nqjudo wrote in post #18128489
Has anyone tested the AF using any tele-extenders yet?

Nothing but static shots but no issues. Next Tuesday I was going to shoot the game primarily with the 200 f2 and 1.4xII

I'd love to see a backlit portrait with a few stops lift to the facial tones.

I read this thread and not coming back bc I told myself what I have now are plenty of cameras. Enjoy Folks!!!

yeah right

I am seriously considering the 5d4 to replace my rather aged 1dsmk2 (not least of which struggles to focus in low-light).

I already own the 24-105IS lens, but i think it's mk1 - my choices come down to:
camera only
camera + updated 24-105
camera + updated 24-70.

Is the 24-70 better in it's range than the 24-105 is when covering up to 70mm?
Would I be better served saving money and assuming my older mk1 is just as good in the 24-70 range and no real need to upgrade to the later 24-105?

I'm shooting stills & video so I am disappointed by the video specs (heavy 4K Crop, no 120fps 1080p, old Motion-JPEG codec etc.).
I'm actually thinking about continuing to use my 5DIII for stills and purchasing the Panasonic GH5 for video (hopefully it gets released soon).


Let's see about the specs.
Here are some rumors:

- no crop for 4K (the Mark IV records 4k with a 1.74 crop factor which is a higher crop factor than Panasonic’s micro four thirds mount with a speedbooster attached)
- 4:2:2 10 bits internal recording
- 1080p 120fps
- 5 axis image stabilization

After looking through the DPR samples one thing is sure, the 5Ds and 5DsR are monsters for pure detail, they destroy the 5D4. Which raises doubts as to which body I really should buy. Granted the 4K, crop for me is actually useful as a wildlife shooter, looks great and with the whole dual-pixel gig actually usable for everyday stuff. The DR of the 5D4 is looking very nice, even if it still trails the other two major bodies with Sony sensors.

But as a primarily landscape body the 5DsR looks like the one to buy. Not only cheaper, especially now prices are starting to drop and used models are available, but that detail. The DR is not actually all that bad, and when it is firmly planted on a tripod it hardly matters. Wifi, GPS and NFC are minor things which might be useful twice a year.

There really should have been a 5D4 R to make the best of that sensor.

Oh boy. Choices, choices.

Hangerhead wrote in post #18128617
I am seriously considering the 5d4 to replace my rather aged 1dsmk2 (not least of which struggles to focus in low-light).

I already own the 24-105IS lens, but i think it's mk1 - my choices come down to:
camera only
camera + updated 24-105
camera + updated 24-70.

Is the 24-70 better in it's range than the 24-105 is when covering up to 70mm?
Would I be better served saving money and assuming my older mk1 is just as good in the 24-70 range and no real need to upgrade to the later 24-105?

The 24-70II? It's basically like a bag full of primes - utterly stunning; and the AF is superb too. I don't know how good the new 24-105 is (though all of Canon's recent L series releases do seem to have been very good).

Given the high ISO capability of the modern bodies, it really comes down to:

• Do you need the shallow(er) depth of field of f/2.8 vs f/4?
  
• Do you shoot moving objects in really low light? (a lens focuses at its widest aperture, so an f/2.8 lens should handle low light better)
  
• Do your subjects move? (if you need to be shooting faster than the 1/focal length rule then IS is likely moot)

Neilyb wrote in post #18128624
After looking through the DPR samples one thing is sure, the 5Ds and 5DsR are monsters for pure detail, they destroy the 5D4. Which raises doubts as to which body I really should buy. Granted the 4K, crop for me is actually useful as a wildlife shooter, looks great and with the whole dual-pixel gig actually usable for everyday stuff. The DR of the 5D4 is looking very nice, even if it still trails the other two major bodies with Sony sensors.

But as a primarily landscape body the 5DsR looks like the one to buy. Not only cheaper, especially now prices are starting to drop and used models are available, but that detail. The DR is not actually all that bad, and when it is firmly planted on a tripod it hardly matters. Wifi, GPS and NFC are minor things which might be useful twice a year.

There really should have been a 5D4 R to make the best of that sensor.

Oh boy. Choices, choices.

I do wonder if there will be a 5DS II somewhat quicker than the usual cycle. Assuming they don't have issues making a 50MP+ sensor with their new tech, it's a body that practically screams out for more low ISO DR. Given the 5DS came out with the "old" 5D3 body (lacking a control from the 7D2) I suspect no one would be bothered if Canon knocked out a 5DS II in 5D4 body with a new 50MP sensor (same overall features, lower frame rate). I believe that the "print" DR figure given by DXO (12.4 for the 5DS IRC) benefits from more resolution, so with Canon's new tech and high resolution, it makes sense to assume it'd be a new low ISO DR class leader for Canon.

As far as I recall, video was downplayed on the 5DS. If they wanted to implement 4K on a 50MP sensor then they would need to subsample/bin pixels; otherwise the crop factor would be huge.

sploo wrote in post #18128630
I do wonder if there will be a 5DS II somewhat quicker than the usual cycle. Assuming they don't have issues making a 50MP+ sensor with their new tech, it's a body that practically screams out for more low ISO DR. Given the 5DS came out with the "old" 5D3 body (lacking a control from the 7D2) I suspect no one would be bothered if Canon knocked out a 5DS II in 5D4 body with a new 50MP sensor (same overall features, lower frame rate). I believe that the "print" DR figure given by DXO (12.4 for the 5DS IRC) benefits from more resolution, so with Canon's new tech and high resolution, it makes sense to assume it'd be a new low ISO DR class leader for Canon.

As far as I recall, video was downplayed on the 5DS. If they wanted to implement 4K on a 50MP sensor then they would need to subsample/bin pixels; otherwise the crop factor would be huge.

The DxO results generally come out better for the higher MP bodies (hence the D810 and A7mk2 still being on top IMO) and on a pixel level the 5Ds is still very noisy and low DR.... that said equalized to 18MP the DPR sample RAWs look very much like 1Dx (mk1) files. It is all relative.

I do think that down sampling a 50MP file is fine if you need to shoot high ISO, then using the advantages of low ISO high MP when you can. But of course there is that shadow noise...

Not too worried about the layout, having used an A7R for a year of so means I appreciate Canon buttons.

Might start looking at used 5Ds bodies, but I have been know to change my impulsive mind

I appreciate the detail in the post...but aren't the 2 kit lens variants both f4 IS (so the 24-70 and the 24-105 are both SI f4)

Yes. I was hoping that Canon would sell the 5DIV with the 24-70 II just to make things interesting, but no. I had to buy the new lens separately and now the separate purchase may disqualify me for the rebate.

grey imports to the UK perhaps, but here is the 5d4 with 24-70 kit.

http://www.e-infin.com …_24-70mm_f/4l_is_usm_lens

Hangerhead wrote in post #18128647
grey imports to the UK perhaps, but here is the 5d4 with 24-70 kit.

http://www.e-infin.com …_24-70mm_f/4l_is_usm_lens

How is that so cheap??!!

The regular kit with the 24-105 ii cost the same as if you bought them separately. I don't understand that. Maybe Canon caught on that someone will buy the kit and sell the lens to make money.