Canon 5D Mark IV -- Time to Discuss!

Hangerhead wrote in post #18128636
I appreciate the detail in the post...but aren't the 2 kit lens variants both f4 IS (so the 24-70 and the 24-105 are both SI f4)

Ah. Sorry! I thought you were talking about the 24-70II - I forgot about the f/4 IS!

AFAIU The 24-70 f/4 IS isn't great around 50mm, but otherwise it's a perfectly good lens (with a useful macro/minimum focus distance). I'd hope (maybe) that the new 24-105 f/4 IS II would be better across the range (but I've not seen any tests).

Mike wrote in post #18128648
How is that so cheap??!!

That kit from B&H is $4599, which is £3473, but I suspect there are grey channels through which the gear can be acquired for low costs. £3199 is suspiciously low though.

Talley wrote in post #18128472
I've been shooting raw only for some stupid reason so I switched to R+J tonight and never would of thought the JPG looked this good.

Seriously I have NEVER seen JPG from a canon look like this. I'm floored.

When I got my 80D, the jpeg quality, and the adjustment options was one of the things I immediately noticed. The default Jpeg picture style is not much different from earlier Canons but now that you can change the sharpness fineness and threshold it gives you much better control over the jpeg quality.
On my 80D my custom picture style is:

- Picture style: Faithful
- Strength: 5
- Fineness: 2
- Threshold: 3
- Contrast: 0
- Saturation: +1
- Color Tone: 0

This gives a nice, detailed image without the sharpening halos. Looks a bit more like my Sony jpegs (both from my A7RII and RX100). Sony's jpegs are so good in my opinion that it takes a good effort to achieve them if you start from RAW

Talley wrote in post #18128134
which allows me to use APS-C glass

Have you tried this ?

Im curious to see how it looks..
Ive already found myself a ff camera that fills in the video needs..
Im sure later sometime ill have the 5d4 to replace my 5d3

Im also wondering why some people are saying 1.64 crop in 4k.. i thought it was 1.74.. i searched and im even seeing something on canon usa web site refer to the crop as 1.74

Probably doesnt sound like much .. but i think that little bit would make for some very noticable vignettes

rantercsr wrote in post #18128704
Have you tried this ?

Im curious to see how it looks..
Ive already found myself a ff camera that fills in the video needs..
Im sure later sometime ill have the 5d4 to replace my 5d3

Im also wondering why some people are saying 1.64 crop in 4k.. i thought it was 1.74.. i searched and im even seeing something on canon usa web site refer to the crop as 1.74

Probably doesnt sound like much .. but i think that little bit would make for some very noticable vignettes

The look should be similar to what you'd get with the lens on a crop body - a lens isn't affected by the sensor that's behind it (i.e. it still projects the same image). I.e. a Sigma 18-35 f/1.8 on the 5D4 in 4K crop would look like a Sigma 18-35 f/1.8 on an APS-C body (albeit with just a bit more cropping).

The confusion over the cropping comes from how you calculate it. The 5D4 horizontal resolution is 6720 pixels. UHD is 3840, but DCI 4K is 4096 (see https://en.wikipedia.o​rg/wiki/4K_resolution)

The 5D4 records 4K in the latter format, which is a 6720/4096=1.64x crop. If you further crop the video down to UHD width then it's 6720/3840=1.75x crop.

However, some people calculate based on the diagonal resolution, so there are further variations.

sploo wrote in post #18128679
That kit from B&H is $4599, which is £3473, but I suspect there are grey channels through which the gear can be acquired for low costs. £3199 is suspiciously low though.

There exists a deal between Hong Kong and UK which allows imports with no taxation, once the gear is in the UK it can then also be sold in the EU, again without taxation (but not if it is imported into the EU from HK...). Of course that will end with Brexit. But these cameras and lenses will not be supported by Canon in UK or EU.

Neilyb wrote in post #18128730
these cameras and lenses will not be supported by Canon in UK or EU.

And that right there is why I'll stick to paying a little bit more!

Neilyb wrote in post #18128730
There exists a deal between Hong Kong and UK which allows imports with no taxation, once the gear is in the UK it can then also be sold in the EU, again without taxation (but not if it is imported into the EU from HK...). Of course that will end with Brexit. But these cameras and lenses will not be supported by Canon in UK or EU.

I didn't know that. I got my 5D3 from HDEW Cameras in the UK (a grey import) but I've never had any problem with it being CPS registered or serviced (IRC it's even registered with Canon as being purchased from HDEW), so I assume it didn't come in via that route.

Neilyb wrote in post #18128624
After looking through the DPR samples one thing is sure, the 5Ds and 5DsR are monsters for pure detail, they destroy the 5D4. Which raises doubts as to which body I really should buy. Granted the 4K, crop for me is actually useful as a wildlife shooter, looks great and with the whole dual-pixel gig actually usable for everyday stuff. The DR of the 5D4 is looking very nice, even if it still trails the other two major bodies with Sony sensors.

But as a primarily landscape body the 5DsR looks like the one to buy. Not only cheaper, especially now prices are starting to drop and used models are available, but that detail. The DR is not actually all that bad, and when it is firmly planted on a tripod it hardly matters. Wifi, GPS and NFC are minor things which might be useful twice a year.

There really should have been a 5D4 R to make the best of that sensor.

Oh boy. Choices, choices.

Now you make me wondering! But I think that I may still go for 5D4 as better AF & DR are more important for me

amoergosum wrote in post #18128618
I'm shooting stills & video so I am disappointed by the video specs (heavy 4K Crop, no 120fps 1080p, old Motion-JPEG codec etc.).
I'm actually thinking about continuing to use my 5DIII for stills and purchasing the Panasonic GH5 for video (hopefully it gets released soon).


Let's see about the specs.
Here are some rumors:

- no crop for 4K (the Mark IV records 4k with a 1.74 crop factor which is a higher crop factor than Panasonic’s micro four thirds mount with a speedbooster attached)
- 4:2:2 10 bits internal recording
- 1080p 120fps
- 5 axis image stabilization

So... your big deal is that the 5D4 has a 'heavy' crop for 4k video yet you're wanting to compare a RUMORED MFT camera with a 16mp sensor (2.3 crop factor) and the addition of a speedbooster (which 'enhances' the crop down to about 1.7-1.8) to a full frame 30mp sensor with a crop factor for 4k of 1.74

And the "old" MJPEG works really well and many say it has better results than heavily compressed H.264 video.

The problem for me is the Panasonic GH4 looks like "Video" where the Canon EOS 5D Mark IV looks much more like cinema (opinion of course)... and I'd much rather have the 4k out of the 5D4.

Sounds like you’re a vide guy - so buy a video camera.

BTW I would love to see Canon add 5-axis to their cams.

So I've been shooting with the 5d4 for a couple days and here are my thoughts...

AF is super snappy and it seems to drive the lenses harder than my 5d3.

Love the shutter sound and feel. Much more inline with the 5dsR.

Why in the holy F did they not have the selected AF point light up? I'm sure a million event shooters have been asking for this. Isn't this Canon's 'event' camera?

Why can't I set certain buttons to just meter? They give me the option to have the shutter button only meter but I want that to also single-shot AF. I don't want to drive the lens every time I meter. I have BBF set up for servo. I've assigned the * button to 'AF-OFF' so basically pressing it just wakes the camera up and meters. 'AF-OFF' doesn't really have a purpose unless I'm using one of their huge telephotos, correct? Does anyone know a better way to have a button purely meter?

Lastly, outer points seem to be just fine.

sourcehill wrote in post #18128825
So I've been shooting with the 5d4 for a couple days and here are my thoughts...

AF is super snappy and it seems to drive the lenses harder than my 5d3.

Love the shutter sound and feel. Much more inline with the 5dsR.

Why in the holy F did they not have the selected AF point light up? I'm sure a million event shooters have been asking for this. Isn't this Canon's 'event' camera?

Because it is a non-trivial set of hardware/firmware changes to light up just the one AF point. Imagine an LCD screen where you have lots of LCD boxes that appear or disappear. You have one red LED above that LCD screen. It lights up the entire screen, not just the one AF box that might have its matrix activated. For the 1DX2, they had to go back to introducing individual LEDs for each AF point.

https://learn.usa.cano​n.com …red_af_illumina​tion.htmlp

The 1D series is the pro events camera. The 5D is more a prosumer model, like the 7D.

For metering, I divorce the AF completely off the shutter button. I simply don't want it to focus when I hit the shutter. I half-press the shutter to re-meter though. I have AF set up on the back buttons, I use AF-on, now that there is a dedicated button for it as of the 7D. Basically I want a dedicated button to meter, one to AF, one to lock exposure, etc.

sourcehill wrote in post #18128825
Why in the holy F did they not have the selected AF point light up? I'm sure a million event shooters have been asking for this. Isn't this Canon's 'event' camera?

Uhoh, maybe I'm confused on how they supposedly improved the light-up viewfinder. I thought this was enhanced over the 5D3

With the changes to the UI as a result of the touch screen, did Canon leave us with a way to review the last image at 100%, at the AF point, with a single touch like you could on the 5D3?

Colorblinded wrote in post #18128855
Uhoh, maybe I'm confused on how they supposedly improved the light-up viewfinder. I thought this was enhanced over the 5D3

The 1DX2 completely re-engineered the AF indicators vs the rest of the LCD focus display. I think the thought was that this was somehow going to trickle back down to the lesser models.

https://learn.usa.cano​n.com …red_af_illumina​tion.htmlp

I suspect this will remain a 1D series differentiator, due to the complicated and more costly solution it has to combat the issue.

What if you hit the magnify button, does it still do what it did before, presuming you configure zoom to start at the AF point at some predetermined zoom level?