Canon 5D Mark IV -- Time to Discuss!

sourcehill wrote in post #18129079
Took my a7 with the 28mm f2 and 5d4 with the 24-70mm II out this morning. Shot them both at f4.5 @28mm at random textures and distances. Not sure if I need to MFA my 24-70mm again but the Sony is NOTICEABLY sharper across the board. The 5d4 is considerably 'softer' so I'm going to assume it's a lens issue. Stand by while I do more test...

It could be that the A7 does not have an AA filter while the 5D does. Try shooting something that would give a AA filter-less camera trouble like plaids or window screens.

PJmak wrote in post #18129074
less talking more pics please

This is the "talk about the 5D4" thread, it has been since the beginning.

If you want the 5D4 photo thread, it is located here: https://photography-on-the.net …hp?t=1466888&go​to=newpost

I'm shooting wide landscapes, tree textures, etc. The last thing I want to do is bring the IV on a wedding shoot without knowing it's fully ready to go. I'm going to assume my MFA is off and cross my fingers. It's not even close. The a7 is MUCH sharper than the 5d4 as they are now.

I would run a controlled test with your 5D4 on static well-lit subjects and work out the MFA values. I am sure that is the issue.

orionz06 wrote in post #18129056
Still shooting a 7D here. Been waiting for this to jump to FF to help me in light limited scenarios. Is there any reason at all to even ponder the 5D3? I know that will be a jump but for concerts and indoor sports the 5D4 still seems like a tremendous jump. Anyone wanna talk me out of it?


As for video... I don't do video and the potential in the 5D4, though limited, is still enough to get me moving to a dedicated device. I feel like by the time the limitations matter I'd be looking dedicated anyway.

heck, going from 7D to 5D3 is MASSIVE, and will be a much bigger jump then going from 5D3 -> 5D4, that will seem small in comparison.

5D3 = value
5D4 = money not an issue

3500 is kind of a big deal, I certainly wouldnt take it lightly.

5D3 on ebay, second hand, 1600 on ebay..... and sometimes gray market for only slightly more.

concerts and indoor sports, the 5D4 looks to have 1/2 stop high ISO advantage, only you can decide if that and other upgrades are worth it, either are a massive upgrade to the 7D.

The 5D3 was the same price when it released, but then again it was a big increase overall compared to the 5D2 capabilities.

Regarding high ISO, here is a test sample of the 7D compared to the 5D3.

gjl711 wrote in post #18129089
It could be that the A7 does not have an AA filter while the 5D does. Try shooting something that would give a AA filter-less camera trouble like plaids or window screens.

it's not only that, the A7's are known for accuracy rather than ultra speed (canon is king for pure speed). I dont see how a dslr with mirror and all can beat that sort of accuracy, so try to shoot the 5D in live view instead. No mirror, no MFA issues.

This is a great idea. I'll start to test it against the a7 in LiveView. That would make more sense to have the most accurate focusing.

Weird to hear that the new girl is built differently than the body itself. I've been checking everywhere for a non-OEM battery grip everyday since my 5DIV arrived. Really hoping someone puts out a cheaper alternative to the Canon BG-E20 sooner than later.

Charlie wrote in post #18129113
it's not only that, the A7's are known for accuracy rather than ultra speed (canon is king for pure speed). I dont see how a dslr with mirror and all can beat that sort of accuracy, so try to shoot the 5D in live view instead. No mirror, no MFA issues.

Live view DPAF has too larger of a focus point so this is not entirely true. The spot point that you can choose is a much finer selection that you can get more accurate than live view.

Im quite amazed at the number of people on here that actually have the camera now and the lack of images being posted..
Does the 5D4 actually take photos or is it just a nice thing to own and talk about

don1163 wrote in post #18129152
Im quite amazed at the number of people on here that actually have the camera now and the lack of images being posted..
Does the 5D4 actually take photos or is it just a nice thing to own and talk about

I work... it's difficult to have time during the week to edit... last weekend I picked the camera up saturday morning and was busy all weekend. I've posted a few samples just to display noise and such.

THIS thread is also not the photo thread keep that in mind. Photos can be found here: https://photography-on-the.net …/showthread.php​?t=1466888

Another thing is I'm more or less waiting for the lightroom to update before I really begin editing. But I just started shooting JPG last night and was so impressed I'll probably start doing R+J so that way I can show those files now.

don1163 wrote in post #18129152
Im quite amazed at the number of people on here that actually have the camera now and the lack of images being posted..
Does the 5D4 actually take photos or is it just a nice thing to own and talk about

As was just mentioned a few posts up, "Discuss" is the topic here. There is another link that captures images. Go amaze yourself there

don1163 wrote in post #18129152
Im quite amazed at the number of people on here that actually have the camera now and the lack of images being posted..
Does the 5D4 actually take photos or is it just a nice thing to own and talk about

Very typical of a new body release. When the experimentation phase is over we'll see some serious images. Keep in mind that RAW support for some popular editors isn't even in place.

orionz06 wrote in post #18129084
Original 7D.

Then you'll find the 5D3 a massive upgrade (in everything but frame rate); and it should feel reasonably familiar in the hand too.

TeamSpeed wrote in post #18129110
The 5D3 was the same price when it released, but then again it was a big increase overall compared to the 5D2 capabilities.

Regarding high ISO, here is a test sample of the 7D compared to the 5D3.

That kinda fits with my recollection of the 7D vs the 5D3; the 5D3 should in theory be just over a stop better for high ISO noise, but whilst my personal taste limit with the 7D was somewhere between ISO 1600 and 3200 (usually 1600), I'd use ISO 6400 on the 5D3 if required.

The 5D4 is definitely not a full stop better, but looking at the character of the noise, plus trading the resolution for more aggressive NR, I have a feeling that limit will go up to ISO 12800 for me.

PJJ205 wrote in post #18129137
Weird to hear that the new girl is built differently than the body itself. I've been checking everywhere for a non-OEM battery grip everyday since my 5DIV arrived. Really hoping someone puts out a cheaper alternative to the Canon BG-E20 sooner than later.

It's bizarre. I can't think why you'd possibly design the ergonomics of the grip to be different to that on the main body. I could understand if it were bigger (due to some inability to package parts tighter), but what's the point in making it smaller. The fact that some of the buttons are from a different parts bin make it look like a cheap knock off.

nqjudo wrote in post #18129172
Very typical of a new body release. When the experimentation phase is over we'll see some serious images. Keep in mind that RAW support for some popular editors isn't even in place.

Indeed. If you're used to Lightroom then trying to sort through a shoot is breathtakingly tedious with DPP. I'm just holding off going through images seriously until LR is updated.