Canon 5D Mark IV -- Time to Discuss!

rantercsr wrote in post #18129431
if one is going to worry about always being ahead then the 5d4 wont last you long..... ..and as talley said above , at this point its when you really start tearing things down to the point where who the in the world wouold notice it when viewed normally

sony is due for something out soon ,, arent they on a yearly schedule? .. as eventually will be nikon and everyone else..
and then people will cry again about why canon is behind.. and either jump ship or stay for the long haul..

Those that stay for the long haul are perfectly happy where they are , and they should be , they have the camera that fits thier needs

sony overhauls like every 18 months so far, but I do think this will change. I can easily see the current A7rii as a 10 yr+ camera honestly, I imagine sony will start to turn canon like and slow down.

rantercsr wrote in post #18129330
i know at Adorama , if you rent a camera and then decide to buy it they will deduct the rental cost from the cost of camera purchase .. i'm sure there are time limitations etc.. but defenitly makes renting before purchasing more attractive ..
i'm assuming adorama isnt the only one who does this if for whatever reason(distance) they dont work for you

Did not know that!

I've got an intentionally under exposed RAW file here - if anyone wants to play around. I haven't been able to do so.

I loaded the RAW in DPP to get the jpg and it looks like I still managed to clip the highlights around the sun, but figured this might still be an ok exampled to see what can be saved in a dark image?

Here's the jpg, all I did was try to straighten the horizon a little:

This the best I can do.

This is my quick go. A late wife bought me a few minutes to mess around. Export as TIF from DPP, then edit in LR... Not sure I'm happy with my editing, but I think that's a pretty ok recovery?

sploo wrote in post #18129048
I suspect it will simply due to there being more attached mass, but I don't know if it's specifically designed for that.

On that subject, I've just taken delivery of the BG-E20, and my first impressions aren't good. The BG-E11 felt really "right" to me on the 5D3, but the BG-E20 grip feels quite different to that on the 5D4 body. Looking at it I think it's a little shallower (a bit like Nikon bodies that I've experienced). The end result is that my finger tips hit the main body/Canon logo on the grip before I've actually got a good hold of it. It's really not nice to hold.

The positioning of the buttons seems slightly wrong too - the shutter button is further forward than the one on the main body, so the relationship between the various buttons is subtly different between the grip and the body.

The moulding around the shutter and M-Fn buttons is totally different between the grip and body, so have quite a different feel. It looks as though the M-Fn button isn't even the same size.

The sliding on/off switch has been changed to a fiddly rotating affair that needs a thumb and forefinger to operate, and the battery tray looks like something you'd get out of a cheap Christmas cracker (really nasty looking flimsy plastic - I do worry for its longevity).

Oh, and the small (new) button by the joystick doesn't have the texturing like the main body (basically it appears to be a different part). You could understand all those oddities on a third party grip, but this feels like it was designed separately/at a different time to the body.

Very disappointing compared to the previous model.

EDIT: Having measured the grip areas, it's clear the one on the body is wider, and has a steep (almost vertical) fall into the body. The one on the grip is significantly thinner, and has a much more gentle slope - so the combination of the thinner width and curvature means I can't get a decent hold of it. Obviously you can't please everyone (different hand sizes etc) but why on earth would you design the grip to be completely different to the main body!

Basically the same, unless you enable illuminated points in AI Servo. When you do that the whole viewfinder (as in everything on it) pulses red/black/red all the time - regardless of whether you're focusing or not. It works - in the sense that you can see the points, but it's really irritating. If there were an option to have it light up permanently that would be great; even better to only light up whilst you had AF engaged.

Hearing this about the grip is a bit dismaying. The grip is essential to me, I was hoping for a repeat of the 5D3's very nice grip.

I really entertained changing to the D810 and getting N*kon's very capable 24-70, which my good friend uses for her professional work. I bought the book for the 810 just because everyone who has one that I know loves it. If the 5DIV was not great, I might have done it, but I can't dismiss my amazing L 's and primes to change companies. After the specs came out for the 5DIV, I couldn't have asked for more. Like some of the on-line reviewers have stated, I'm not a videotographer, so I have nothing to compare. As a still camera, I have already seen how much faster the 5DIV is for focusing. Excited to be able to buy the camera with the new lens. I put it through night shooting indoors with flash tomorrow.

This article at Fstoppers about the 5DIV is quite good. The writer acknowledges the advancements the 5DIV'S sensor has made but also states an important fact, it's irrelevant when it comes to making good images.

It's amazing how many people I see online still trying to bash the 5DIV's sensor just because it's slightly behind Sony. People get way too caught up in the gear and specs side of things and don't even know how to fully utilize that extra DR half the time. It pretty much works like the amateurs who get the most expensive gear they can and expect it to install take the best photos. Now people just look for the highest specs and assume everything else doesn't matter

Dlee13 wrote in post #18129516
This article at Fstoppers about the 5DIV is quite good. The writer acknowledges the advancements the 5DIV'S sensor has made but also states an important fact, it's irrelevant when it comes to making good images.

It's amazing how many people I see online still trying to bash the 5DIV's sensor just because it's slightly behind Sony. People get way too caught up in the gear and specs side of things and don't even know how to fully utilize that extra DR half the time. It pretty much works like the amateurs who get the most expensive gear they can and expect it to install take the best photos. Now people just look for the highest specs and assume everything else doesn't matter

I think saying it's irrelevant when it comes to making a good image is a misleading or even false statement. People always say the camera or lens doesn't matter, but it absolutely does. It ultimately depends on what you want to do, however. For some things you need specific tools, and certain tools or capabilities unlock certain possibilities.

A sensor with broader dynamic range, or higher ISO, or lower high ISO noise, or better color quality all can lead to more creative opportunities.

Compared to the other sensors on the market currently, it seems like the 5D4 on balance is a very well rounded sensor. It's very good, near the best at some things, and quite close at others. It no longer suffers the drawbacks that limited the 5D3 in certain types of circumstances.

As the article says, photography existed before the 5D Mark IV, and indeed, before all of these newfangled digital cameras. Did you ever try shooting a color image in very dark conditions with high ISO film? ISO 1600 color film was specialty material, and the results were... not great.

Colorblinded wrote in post #18129522
I think saying it's irrelevant when it comes to making a good image is a misleading or even false statement. People always say the camera or lens doesn't matter, but it absolutely does. It ultimately depends on what you want to do, however. For some things you need specific tools, and certain tools or capabilities unlock certain possibilities.

A sensor with broader dynamic range, or higher ISO, or lower high ISO noise, or better color quality all can lead to more creative opportunities.

Compared to the other sensors on the market currently, it seems like the 5D4 on balance is a very well rounded sensor. It's very good, near the best at some things, and quite close at others. It no longer suffers the drawbacks that limited the 5D3 in certain types of circumstances.

As the article says, photography existed before the 5D Mark IV, and indeed, before all of these newfangled digital cameras. Did you ever try shooting a color image in very dark conditions with high ISO film? ISO 1600 color film was specialty material, and the results were... not great.

I see no benefit in for those who strobe. Natural light outdoor peeps... sure... people who control their light. eh... no much improvement more than likely. I bet anything they want better AF and the added other features.

Cfast cards are superior and just like CF cards and SD cards they will come down in price. The issue comes into play with the 21 raw picture buffer. With a cfast card that buffer would have been eliminated. Sure would have been nice to have that option. The 5d mark 4 is at a premium price and falls short in areas that you'd think would have been addressed for a camera in the $3500 range. I am a Canon guy and have too much invested in glass to switch now. However personally I am a bit disappointed in a few things. After I rent it that opinion may change. If not I'll stick with what I have it still earns me money

flashpoint99 wrote in post #18129551
Cfast cards are superior and just like CF cards and SD cards they will come down in price. The issue comes into play with the 21 raw picture buffer. With a cfast card that buffer would have been eliminated. Sure would have been nice to have that option. Its not like the 5d mark 4 is competitively priced compared to the other cameras in its class. It is at a premium price and falls short in areas that you'd think would have been addressed for a camera in the $3500 range. I am a Canon guy and have too much invested in glass to switch now. However personally I am a bit disappointed in a few things. After I rent it that opinion may change.

Use it then comment. It's an amazing camera. Shot sports no different then I usually do and haven't hit the buffer yet but I'm also not a spray and pray type of guy either. NFL... well maybe if your tracking a long play you need it but then if your shooting the NFL get the 1dx. It's basically what canon is telling you/forcing you to do.

One thing to note I got 35 frames using the lexar 1066x CF card AND this is also confirmed by TDP here: http://www.the-digital-picture.com …Canon-EOS-5D-Mark-IV.aspx

Thats 5 seconds of buffer. I got the same results.

flashpoint99 wrote in post #18129551
Cfast cards are superior and just like CF cards and SD cards they will come down in price. The issue comes into play with the 21 raw picture buffer. With a cfast card that buffer would have been eliminated. Sure would have been nice to have that option. Its not like the 5d mark 4 is competitively priced compared to the other cameras in its class. It is at a premium price and falls short in areas that you'd think would have been addressed for a camera in the $3500 range. I am a Canon guy and have too much invested in glass to switch now. However personally I am a bit disappointed in a few things. After I rent it that opinion may change.

The 5D4 is priced at the same exact level as the 5D3, at least in USD prices? What premium price? $3200-3700 has been the price for the the past 4 5D bodies.

The 1D series has always had the larger buffers, if that is important to you, you have to pony up an additional $2K.

If CFast was added to the 5D4, the price would have been $3600. If the full frame was resized down frame by frame for 4K, the price would have been $3800. If the SD slot was UHSII, the price would have $3900. Then we would have to listen to all the whining as to why such a camera wasn't priced at the original 5D3 prices. Like that wouldn't be annoying to listen to....

Don't like the price? Just wait it out, the prices will go down in a few months around Christmas with all the rebates, etc. Patience is a virtue.

I am considering that!

TeamSpeed wrote in post #18129557
The 5D4 is priced at the same exact level as the 5D3, at least in USD prices? What premium price? $3200-3700 has been the price for the the past 4 5D bodies.

The 1D series has always had the larger buffers, if that is important to you, you have to pony up an additional $2K.

If CFast was added to the 5D4, the price would have been $3600. If the full frame was resized down frame by frame for 4K, the price would have been $3800. If the SD slot was UHSII, the price would have $3900. Then we would have to listen to all the whining as to why such a camera wasn't priced at the original 5D3 prices. Like that wouldn't be annoying to listen to....

Don't like the price? Just wait it out, the prices will go down in a few months around Christmas with all the rebates, etc. Patience is a virtue.

It comes at a premium compared to the competition.

Talley wrote in post #18129546
I see no benefit in for those who strobe. Natural light outdoor peeps... sure... people who control their light. eh... no much improvement more than likely. I bet anything they want better AF and the added other features.

Of course. Horses for courses, as they say. It's all about what you want to do and how well or how easily you want to do it.