Canon 5D Mark IV -- Time to Discuss!

Carrying your gear comfortably is one of the most important lessons you can learn.
Having said that, lighter gear is a blessing. I find that leaving my 500 at home and using my 100-400 II is becoming the norm when I don't know what I am going to shoot.

Tapeman wrote in post #18130043
Carrying your gear comfortably is one of the most important lessons you can learn.
Having said that, lighter gear is a blessing. I find that leaving my 500 at home and using my 100-400 II is becoming the norm when I don't know what I am going to shoot.

I think people underestimate weight of gear as it correlates to usage. I've read many posts where people would say they only bring out their DSLR's for special occasions, and then some say that they wont travel with a dslr..... weight and the way you carry your gear is an absolute burden and it inhibits your photography. If a 600 lens weighed 1lb, I'de likely bring it with me everywhere, I like having long focal lengths with me, but realistically, I can only carry a small 70-300 because of other lenses involved. Carrying heavy gear on a hot hike can quickly make you angry and zap all fun. Belt suspension is pretty much a necessity as far as I'm concerned, really hate sore shoulders and have been pain free for years, not going back.

A well-designed backpack can hold a nice DSLR kit, and not really put that much stress on your shoulders and back. There are some very good small backpacks that can hold a camera and a couple of lenses, and you barely feel them once you set the straps correctly, and assuming it has the cross chest harness, etc.

TeamSpeed wrote in post #18130066
A well-designed backpack can hold a nice DSLR kit, and not really put that much stress on your shoulders and back. There are some very good small backpacks that can hold a camera and a couple of lenses, and you barely feel them once you set the straps correctly, and assuming it has the cross chest harness, etc.

backpacks work well for many, I dont like them due to the slow process of grabbing your gear.

I know mindshift makes a product that makes this easier, as well as lowepro, still too slow... If I'm traveling with a crowd, they sure as hell wouldnt have patience for my photography

PJJ205 wrote in post #18130011
According to the keyboard Warriors who have never even seen a 5DIV in person, there are very minimal changes and its not even worth upgrading to..

50% increase (roughly) in resolution (or 33% more pixels)

Improved DR (the one thing every one was asking for, they got)

The two above add up to what I am calling by far the largest single jump in image quality in the Canon line ups since Canon first launched 14 bit color per channel RAW files.

Fully functional touch screen.

Dual Pixel live view focusing.

touch screen focusing

Improved AF system (appears to be pretty much as good as it gets from where I am sitting)

Faster FPS (minimal bump, but given the huge bump in file size..)

More set-up and customization options.

Improved menu system to go with the touch screen.

Built in Wifi

Built in GPS

A host of improved video specs that are all Greek to me.


Honestly, I would have thought that the massive giant step forward in the sensor / IQ would have been enough to satisfy most. It certainly was the most demanded spec in all the rumor wish list threads.

Canon delivered, IMHO better than I would have thought possible based on previous experience! IQ improvement alone would certainly have been enough to have me considering the upgrade from 5D3.

But given all the other additions, it seems to be a slam dunk from where I sit.
I guess any camera that does not also make you breakfast, a massage with a happy ending and cost $80.00 is a let down to some.

CyberDyneSystems wrote in post #18130115
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Honestly, I would have thought that the massive giant step forward in the sensor / IQ would have been enough to satisfy most. It certainly was the most demanded spec in all the rumor wish list threads. ....

This alone is enough for me. I'm just waiting until all the Canon customer alpha testers are finished.

Charlie wrote in post #18130072
backpacks work well for many, I dont like them due to the slow process of grabbing your gear.

I know mindshift makes a product that makes this easier, as well as lowepro, still too slow... If I'm traveling with a crowd, they sure as hell wouldnt have patience for my photography

I like the PEAK clip for this. it's good for hiking.

gjl711 wrote in post #18130120
This alone is enough for me. I'm just waiting until all the Canon customer alpha testers are finished.

same here. I can't wait to get my hands on one. I should just quit kidding myself that I might want to jump onboard the sony/nikon system. I have too much invested in canon, and honestly, I was 90% satisfied with the 5d3 that I had for 4.5 years.

Over the past 4 years I got dreadfully sick of hearing idiots whine about "teh Dynamic Range, Sony/Nikon has it better, wahhhhhh". Finally, Canon answers the call, but suddenly DR isn't as important anymore, now it's:

"Canon sucks because, um, um, um, the AA FILTER!! Yeah, the AA filter, that's the feature of the day now!!!! You guys are dumb for buying a camera with an AA filter, Tony Northrupp said so!! And that pasty, whiney guy said you have Stockholm Syndrome because you won't switch from Canon!!! Haha sick burns, eat it!!! You'll never take good photos of sharpness! Whatever I use is the best, and yours sucks!"

I hate the Internet.

Actually, it would have been nice to see the 5DMKIV offered without an AA filter.

PJJ205 wrote in post #18130011
According to the keyboard Warriors who have never even seen a 5DIV in person, there are very minimal changes and its not even worth upgrading to. Additionally, the camera is "crippled" and a "minimalist" paperweight. By the way, I sold my 5DIII on and picked up my 5DIV earlier this week. I am very pleased with my new piece of trash.

I can't wait to get my piece of trash.

Looks like it resolves noticeably more detail than the 5D3, but still avoids major moire issues. AA is a very situational thing, absolute sharpeness is great when you don't have moire. Overall, I can live with an AA filter, some might not.

I think Canon and Nikon have been right to offer similar models with and without it at times.

Charlie wrote in post #18130051
I think people underestimate weight of gear as it correlates to usage. ...

If you go back on this forum to 2003-2007, you'd see posts from me that dismiss weight.

In the years since, incrementally things have changed so that now it has become one of the most important concerns. I have gotten older, sustained some disk damage, and essentially everything feels heavier top me now. I am still described as strong as an ox by those that work with me, but when 5D3 came out and was the first Canon DSLR with AF akin to a 1D in a smaller body, THAT was the #1 reason I got one. It is THE ONLY reason I paid the HUGE premium for the 500mm MkII.


Now with 7D2 and 5D4, I suspect I will hold on to the 1D4 as the last 1D I will ever own.

I have to exercise vigorously for a year every time I know I am going to be doing this 3-day Trek with my church youth group every 4 years because it's in the wilderness in VA, I am dressed like a pioneer, and I have to carry 2 DSLR's 3 lenses, 4 cups of water, snacks, a hat, and sun screen. I do this for 3 days. I even have a portable electric generator so at night I can upload the images to a portable hard drive, format the cards and do it all over again. My poor batteries almost die every night.

The gear is heavy, but I think those of us who shoot a lot are okay with it. I can hold my 7D2 with 70-200 2.8 IS II with just my right hand and shoot in a large room. Add the flash and I think my arm will fall off, but I've done it!

Curious about the DR being not as good as the N*kon. I know the SONY is the standard for video these days. I think the 5DIV sensor is really nice. Can't wait to get out this weekend. There is a thunder storm coming. I may do some tripod lightning tries.

MatthewK wrote in post #18130137
Over the past 4 years I got dreadfully sick of hearing (people) whine about "teh Dynamic Range, Sony/Nikon has it better, wahhhhhh". Finally, Canon answers the call, but suddenly DR isn't as important anymore, now it's:

"Canon sucks because, um, um, um, the AA FILTER!! Yeah, the AA filter, that's the feature of the day now!!!! You guys are dumb for buying a camera with an AA filter, ....

Indeed, and they miss the fact that if detail is THE THING, if MP and no AA filter is THE thing, then Canon released the best in that regard some time ago. 5Dsr.

I will say this, despite the fact that I am very impressed with the image quality I got from a 10MP 1D3, I have never had an MP increase that I did not like

More detail is not bad. At the same time, it has been an accepted rule that MP is not the most important thing a camera has to offer, and thus we can be sure that how an image looks on a screen at 100%-200% etc. bares little impact on the final result of a photo's success.

CyberDyneSystems wrote in post #18130171
If you go back on this forum to 2003-2007, you'd see posts from me that dismiss weight.

I've never been overly concerned with weight either. At the same time, there are reasons I've owned different sized bags and cameras like the Elan 7e, XTi, or EOS M alongside larger and heavier cameras.

Random side thought:
I'm sure you weren't discounting other people's opinions once upon a time, just the importance of the weight to yourself, but this does make me think that it sure would be good for others to stop assuming their needs are the only ones that matter or that can and in some cases should be considered by manufacturers.