Canon 5D Mark IV -- Time to Discuss!

CyberDyneSystems wrote in post #18131125
For me, on the old 1D or 7D2 with 8.5-10-12-14 fps as an option, it was not about wanting it to go from single shot as much as from a slower FPS setting.

I tend to set my FPS @ 6 and shoot that way the bulk of the time, then leave max FPS setting at the high setting. I'd like to go from that 6FPS to the 10 FPS by changing my BBF button, to get instant access to full 10FPS.

Either way, I am not interested in always being set to MAX FPS on any camera I have ever owned since 2005. But would like instant one button access to max FPS while shooting for when the situation changes.
ie: for my "Hail Mary" set up.

This would be great too. Unfortunately the 5D4 did not get the 1D or 7D2 feature of adjusting the max FPS down to whatever you choose.

The 7D2 truly is a mini 1d camera. and an amazing body for a common used price of 1k.

71sbeetle wrote in post #18131104
It was after sunset getting dark but no lights on that field, I did take some at night with lights but it was 3200 iso iirc, didn't have a chance to edit them yet though

Welcome to my side of the country.

I have TWO night games setup for Wednesday and Thursday this week. I'm without a doubt going to be at ISO 6500-25,600. I'll post results then.

Talley wrote in post #18131167
This would be great too. Unfortunately the 5D4 did not get the 1D or 7D2 feature of adjusting the max FPS down to whatever you choose....

Really? Wow, had not noticed that yet.

Does the 5DIV illuminate the selected focus point in red? My 6D does it and it's very helpful.

One thing I love with the custom controls is that I have the exp.comp. on the new thumb button, and it works easy in M-mode too. On 1DX I need to go Av/Tv to set exp.comp, and then back to M.

I'm not usually prone to hyperbole (not on POTN at least), so... disclaimers and context before I come over all hyperbole fanboy...

As previously mentioned, my left side bank of cross type points are significantly front focusing. AF is consistent - but obviously I can't MFA correct just one set of points so I assume some part of the optical path to the AF sensor isn't parallel to the image sensor (it's going for a fix next week).

I got some time for what I'd consider the camera's first "proper" use today - namely getting some shots of my toddler running around, on a swing, and a slide. I've done exactly the same "shoot" using my 5D3 + 24-70II so this was a pretty good comparative test.

Checking my 5D3 shots, the swing shoot (positioned right in front - so a pretty hard test of subject moving back and forth, fairly close, at around 35mm focal length) was about 2 stops brighter (i.e. today's conditions had 2 stops more ambient light).

For the slide (much later in the day) we were actually nearer 3 stops lower ambient vs the 5D3 shoot - though still reasonable light (f/4, 1/1000, ISO 800).

I mention the above because obviously the AF performance will be highly dependant on available light (not the aperture, shutter speed and ISO chosen for the actual exposure).

I'd also been shooting some general "running around" shots at f/3.5, rather than my usual f/4-f/8. The previous slide shots were at f/5.6, this time at f/4. I mention that as shallower DOF will be less forgiving of misfocused shots.

Finally, I know my technique needs work when shooting things that move (long story).

So...

<HYPERBOLEFANBOY>
Holey shizzle. This thing is incredible!

On paper there doesn't really seem to be much difference vs the 5D3, but in actual use the difference in keeper rate is incredible. I have never - under any circumstances or lighting conditions - got anything near the hit rate that I've seen from this camera today.

It's the one thing that bugged me before - I'd get a burst of shots, with quite a few usable, but you could guarantee that the ones with the "perfect" expression would be the percentage where focus was missed. The rate of unusable frames here is so low I've come away with multiple good images per "scene".

I'd note that I'm also pretty picky about what I consider a hit - DPReview's 5D4 review has a number of shots that (as far as I read the writeup anyway) are claimed to be good - but are way below what I'd call sharp. I probably am being a pixel peeper TBH.

Perhaps my sucky technique means that a more skilled shooter would see a smaller improvement (because they'd be getting a higher hit rate with the 5D3), but, regardless, this body has way surpassed my expectations when it comes to AF.

I also got chance to snap a couple of landscape/architecture shots in the area, and there are a couple that are clearly high DR. I haven't edited them yet, but knowing that I won't see the shadows falling into a mess is a huge bonus. Ironically it (low ISO DR) was my main "want" for the 5D4; but the subtle (but clear) high ISO improvement and stunning AF really just make it complete.

It's almost enough to make me forgive the abomination they've made of the BG-E20 grip
</HYPERBOLEFANBOY>

Right... back to levelheaded analysis and data...

I've not given it a good moving subject work out, but this sounds promising!
The 7D2 is clearly better than the 5D3 in this regard, and 5D3 is no slouch.

With the 5D4's 1Dx2 AF system, I am looking forward to posting some Hyperbolic fanboy posts soon too!

Looking forward to seeing the low light high ISO shots. This will be a huge factor on whether or not I upgrade......One other thing I've seen is there may be a small issue with white balance and exposure comp doing their own thing once in awhile . It may have been an issue with that particular single camera but has anyone of you new owners had any issue with white balance or exp comp?

CyberDyneSystems wrote in post #18131227
I've not given it a good moving subject work out, but this sounds promising!
The 7D2 is clearly better than the 5D3 in this regard, and 5D3 is no slouch.

With the 5D4's 1Dx2 AF system, I am looking forward to posting some Hyperbolic fanboy posts soon too!

At least for a moving small person I'm comfortable satisfied that it's a real and significant improvement over the 5D3. I did get a few shots some days ago (and saw similar results), but didn't want to do any, errr, premature adulation

BTW Has anyone else noticed that when reviewing images (and hitting INFO until you get the histogram) you can scroll down with the joystick and get a whole load of metadata that would normally only be available in post? Maybe that's not new in the 5D4, but it's something I'm pretty sure the 5D3 doesn't do.

flashpoint99 wrote in post #18131234
Looking forward to seeing the low light high ISO shots. This will be a huge factor on whether or not I upgrade......One other thing I've seen is there may be a small issue with white balance and exposure comp doing their own thing once in awhile . It may have been an issue with that particular single camera but has anyone of you new owners had any issue with white balance or exp comp?

I posted a few samples earlier in the thread - mostly of a bunch of stuffed animals (and you can even download the files).

I suspect white balance can make mistakes on any camera, but as I always use the raws from a DSLR the white balance is just metadata (i.e. it doesn't matter if it's wrong).

Exposure compensation is a user setting, so I'm not sure what you mean for that one?

flashpoint99 wrote in post #18131234
Looking forward to seeing the low light high ISO shots. This will be a huge factor on whether or not I upgrade......One other thing I've seen is there may be a small issue with white balance and exposure comp doing their own thing once in awhile . It may have been an issue with that particular single camera but has anyone of you new owners had any issue with white balance or exp comp?

I just posted this in the "photo" thread, but I'll repost it here because it was in very low light and it's at ISO 25600. It's an in-camera jpg without any post-processing except for cropping. I'm amazed at the quality of the image.

sploo wrote in post #18131248
At least for a moving small person I'm comfortable satisfied that it's a real and significant improvement over the 5D3. I did get a few shots some days ago (and saw similar results), but didn't want to do any, errr, premature adulation

BTW Has anyone else noticed that when reviewing images (and hitting INFO until you get the histogram) you can scroll down with the joystick and get a whole load of metadata that would normally only be available in post? Maybe that's not new in the 5D4, but it's something I'm pretty sure the 5D3 doesn't do.

Yes, that's a feature I also love on my 80D. As well as the increased flexibility of jpeg sharpness adjustment options. I mostly shoot RAW but for everyday family stuff I often do jpegs.

gabebalazs wrote in post #18131258
Yes, that's a feature I also love on my 80D. As well as the increased flexibility of jpeg sharpness adjustment options. I mostly shoot RAW but for everyday family stuff I often do jpegs.

Ah. The wife has the 80D, and despite a bit of low ISO DR sensor testing vs the 5D3, and playing with the DPAF in video (all very impressive), for some reason I can't get near it that often

camaz55 wrote in post #18130942
I had the same issue - I was using BBF and had turned off the AF on half press of the shutter. This also turns off tap and focus in Live View

i think this is not a good feature of this camera to disable tap to focus on live view

Scrumhalf wrote in post #18130997
With the arrival of the Mark IV, does it make the allure of the A7sII disappear? The A7sII plus metabones adapter weighs 26oz. The 5D4 weighs 28oz . That's a candy bar's worth of weight difference. Seems negligible. And if the IQ gap is largely closed, I would imagine the motivation to consider the Sony is not going to be there. Not trying to start a brand war, as the Sony is a fine camera, just curious.

You can shoot native sony lenses. plenty from 14mm to 200mm

Question to the Group.

For those of you who have had the 5DIV for a week or whatever it is now.... Can you tell me what you think I can see that will be better than my 7DII and 5DII. I don't mean the obvious stuff like reach, DOF, ISO etc. Those type of comparisons are easy to make a judgement on.

For example I read on DPR somewhere ( I can not find the post again annoyingly) one wedding photographer has shot a few weddings already, and he made a really interesting comment. And that was he was finding the metering for flash photography HEAPS better and is making a huge huge difference to what he does. He felt this was a complete game changer for him.

Are there intangibles that are difficult to quantify that you are liking.

Maybe things like you are getting more out of your lenses.

Or maybe there are things that are pissing you off that older models did better??

Would be interested in what your findings are.