Canon 5D Mark IV -- Time to Discuss!

Talley wrote in post #18139400
So weird for me to say this....

I'm really really really really liking the live view focusing performance and small histogram feature. The face detection is great. I may end up turning Sony if sony performs like this

welcome to two years ago, sony goes and does one further, nevermind the face detection, sony can do that with any canon lens, but with native lens, it'll focus on the eyeball.

You can also register faces so in a crowd, the face detection picks out your kids first.

Charlie wrote in post #18139526
welcome to two years ago, sony goes and does one further, nevermind the face detection, sony can do that with any canon lens, but with native lens, it'll focus on the eyeball.

You can also register faces so in a crowd, the face detection picks out your kids first.

I have made a horrible error getting the Canon.

Your images have convinced me I should have got a Sony.

Even I, feet planted firmly in the 20th century, can see that those Sony's are putting out some NICE images...

Talley wrote in post #18139488
^^^ /facepalm

Aha...

That moment when you realise I was right...

mike_d wrote in post #18139440
Wow that sounds incredibly inefficient.

I am certain there are Lightroom features I should learn which may be helpful, but I haven't taken the time. I am not a professional photographer, I do not have thousands upon thousands of photographs, and I am just now starting to dabble in multiple frames per second with my friend's model rocket club. I do not batch process as I view each photograph as individual and deserving of singular attention to processing.

Zoombrowser imports and organizes photos directly into the Pictures folder by year and date, and this is fine for me. I can easily scan through and eliminate undesirable photographs so items I import into Lightroom are only those I intend to work with. Is there a way for Lightroom to automatically open a specific folder when you select Import? I don't think so. Navigating folders in Lightroom for import is a pain. Of course, there may be a better way I am not aware of. My computer is set up with SSD for OS and apps only in order to optimize overhead. All user data is mapped to RAID 1 TB hard drives. Zoombrowser is intuitive enough to import directly into the "Pictures" folder which has been remapped to one of the RAID data drives. I see nothing very intuitive about Lightroom, but I am really not attempting to bash it. There are books, and Lynda.com has some training videos I have intended to watch for some time. I am certain there are redeeming features I will find useful.

I have worked in IT for over thirty years and have spent a great deal of time organizing server data for hundreds of users. I only wish I could help some of the people still using XP crossover to Windows 10. It is a very competent and much improved OS, you just need to learn how to turn things off. The first thing you should do is go into the GPO and turn off the stupid Cortana, then secure it by turning off all social media functions, and finally optimize performance. Most of our friends who are still using XP would be very comfortable with my computer.

However, we have digressed from discussing the 5D Mark IV. I just pre-ordered mine from B&H Photo.

Just going to pop over to the Computer Forum and see if there are any posts about the 5D4

Note to self....next time you want to run RAWs from a new camera through Lightroom you must install the new version of Lightroom...... Just downloading the new version is not enough..... D'oh!!!!!

manderson wrote in post #18139592
Zoombrowser imports and organizes photos directly into the Pictures folder by year and date, and this is fine for me. I can easily scan through and eliminate undesirable photographs so items I import into Lightroom are only those I intend to work with.

On my Mac it was always called ImageBrowser. I still use it to download my images from the camera. It's great for the first selection round and is capable of showing where the focus point was when taking the shot. However, ImageBrowser is no match for Lightroom when it comes to organising images. And Lightroom's search tools are simply superb and the reason I switched from Bridge to LR. With LR any search is instantaneous. I can select all my images, enter any search perimeter and it will find the images immediately, without any delay. Whether I search on a specific lens, a specific camera, focal length, exposure settings, keywords, labels, ratings (and combinations of these), you name it, LR finds them instantaneously. It's completely brilliant.

...and the LR Metadata Library Filter as a tool for what you have done with what when and how is simply invaluable for so many uses and insight...

Im still looking for opinions on low light , high ISO noise. I've heard one vote for 1/2 a stop better (talley) than 5d3. Anyone else? Please don't direct me to comparison sites. I'm looking for the opinions of folks actually using the camera.

I'm getting the feeling that the 5d4 increased low ISO DR and has crazy good af but maybe didn't improve high ISO noise all that much.

So became a fully paid up card carrying member of the club today, and no turning back either as the 6D and 1D4 have already sold too.

first thing was to go through the menus and customise it as close to my 7D2 as possible...very easy just relaying what was on the 7D2 across to the 5D4. ( oh and to stop the 7D2 from getting jealous it was fitted out with a brand new grip today too ).

Most noticeable first impression ..... How good is it having 61 AF points on the 100-400 mm II with the 1.4 III ? Even though the light was m'eh it was crisp and precise with all the points I used.

And here is something that dawned on me when I was going through the images afterwards. Being able to compose and focus using any of the available AF points can allow filling the frame with more of the target.....rather than having to just us the centre point.

And that means more pixels on target. And with even more to play with to start with I think I am going to enjoy this combo for birding and airshows.

Has anyone on here bought a 5D4 grey import?
Due to the price for this camera in the UK a grey import seems a very tempting offer...I havent noticed and problems on the forum that would indicate a serious hardware problem, so most issues that may arise should be able to be sorted with a firmware update which shouldnt be an issue...
I realise that you wont get a proper Canon warranty with a grey import but the suppliers I have been looking at all offer a 3 year warranty, with the first year of that being done at a Canon service centre...
Is there any reason not to take a chance ? I have owned Canon cameras and lenses since the early 80s and have never yet had to send any equipment in for repair...
Peoples thoughts on this would be interesting...

How do I get the "Format Card" option into my custom menu? I can't seem to find it to add it.

Also, is there a way of making the AE lock button and the AF Select button act as zoom in and out buttons (like my other bodies) or am I stuck with touchscreen zooming?

I have a gallery of photos with various lenses from yesterday with some tricky exposure (shooting towards the setting sun) if anyone wants a look, plus low and high ISO ranges here: https://www.flickr.com​/photos/mikegphotograp​hy/albums/721576731372​15252/with/29913969905​/


Here's one example of shadow recovery from me:

SOOC:

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gabebalazs wrote in post #18139409
You do have a point regarding software. I really hate "change for change's sake", and Microsoft excels at doing that, or at least so it seems. There are a bunch of things in Win10 that are different from Win7 but many are a backwards step. Take folder view for example. In Win7 (and XP?) I was able to see photo data/info at the bottom of the folder, it was resize-able and was a tremendous help when handling files and quick-checking files. AND, if I desired, I could turn on a preview pane/window on the right within the folder to see the photos larger in a preview. Now, MS just had to screw it up. No info/data at the bottom of the folder any more. Not even optional any more. You have the option of "details pane" OR "preview pane" on the right (or neither). It cannot be moved to the bottom. I searched initially whether I could move it to the bottom. Nope, not possible. Nevertheless, I also found thousands of others who were ticked off since this has totally screwed up their workflow (including mine).
And that's just one thing. Obviously, there are many cool and useful things about Win10, but why change stuff that worked great before???

Yea - the lack of photo info on the bottom bar really bugs me in Windows 10. It's like taking away the zoom in/out functionality from the two top right buttons (on the 5D3 vs the 7D). The bar (or buttons) don't appear to be being used for anything else in the relevant mode, so why remove something that was useful and add nothing in return.

STIC wrote in post #18139474
Again, I don't even let ANY program organise anything for me.

I have separate remote hard drives that I download my photo folders to, named by date taken...that's all the organisation I need to find anything I want, instantly.

I use Photoshop CS3 (simply because I have the entire CS3 Design suite), why upgrade...what does photoshop NOT do for me?

And, that goes the same for XP!

Note: I do exactly the same (download photos from the cards to named/dated folders). I then add those folders to my Lightroom catalog (nothing moves on disk unless I specifically tell it to). The benefits are that you can then add keywords to photos to help find something later, plus it pulls the metadata from the EXIF section in the images. Ultimately that makes it easy to then, for example, find all the photos of a dog taken on a 7D in 2012 with a 70-200 at f/5.6 that I'd rated at least 4 out of 5 stars. Note that I don't think I have any dog photos from 2012 with a 70-200, but you get the idea

It might be worth picking up one of Scott Kelby's recent Lightroom books; until I read one I didn't realise just how powerful (and useful) LR is. I do probably >95% of my edits in LR now, and only rarely need to dip into Photoshop.

As for what Photoshop doesn't do for you: the issue is not knowing what you don't know. Later versions of Photoshop (I'm talking up to CS6, which is what I run) added some useful features - for example, I've found Content Aware Fill to occasionally be a hugely useful feature (that saves a lot of time). I'm aware later CC versions have a lot more stuff I'd probably find useful, but I don't really want to rent my software, and again, I don't know what I don't know (though if I looked I'd probably be too tempted).

My $0.02 on Windows: XP was good, but the 64-bit version of Windows 7 probably was the pinnacle, and is well worth an upgrade. Windows 8 was a mild abomination, and Windows 10, whilst improved, has retained some of the schizophrenic mismash of features added in 8.

don1163 wrote in post #18139644
Has anyone on here bought a 5D4 grey import?
Due to the price for this camera in the UK a grey import seems a very tempting offer...I havent noticed and problems on the forum that would indicate a serious hardware problem, so most issues that may arise should be able to be sorted with a firmware update which shouldnt be an issue...
I realise that you wont get a proper Canon warranty with a grey import but the suppliers I have been looking at all offer a 3 year warranty, with the first year of that being done at a Canon service centre...
Is there any reason not to take a chance ? I have owned Canon cameras and lenses since the early 80s and have never yet had to send any equipment in for repair...
Peoples thoughts on this would be interesting...

Whilst I didn't test the warranty, I've had no problems getting CPS service (and obviously registering with CPS) for a 5D3 and TCs that came from HDEW cameras.

eleazar123 wrote in post #18139451
Hey everyone, so I picked up a Mark IV today (yay!), But I have this weird issue going on. I'm sure I'll wake up in the morning and everyone will be laughing at my noobish question, but I'm pretty stumped.

See below for 2 sample pictures. I get that set of dark rings on 95% of my pictures. It's also there in live view. But then other times it's nowhere to be found (ie hasty sunset picture attached). If it's something super simple, everyone have a free laugh on me The only lens I've tried so far is my Sigma 35m art.

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Posted about this about a week ago with pictures. Turn off peripheral correction and it's gone.