Canon 5D Mark IV -- Time to Discuss!

white venom wrote in post #18328152
The joystick is similar to the one on the body. The button under the joystick is not a soft push like it is on the body, its more of a click style button. I am monitoring the battery for the past 3 days and it doesn't seem affected so far but I will report back. So far I'm pretty happy with it especially for 1/4 of the price.

That's weird; because the button under the joystick on my 5D4 has a nice positive action (not quite a click, but like a good quality keyboard). The button on the OEM grip feels like the keyboard from an Atari ST (i.e. plastic mounted on sponge, for anyone not old enough to remember).

LJ3Jim wrote in post #18328612
Does anyone know how long the 5D4 lasts in time-lapse mode on a single battery? We're having a backyard patio installed this week, and I thought it would be fun to capture it via time-lapse. It will take 3 - 4 days, at roughly 8 hours per day. I have 4 batteries. I was thinking of maybe 20 shots per minute (about 1000 per day). I can get the AC adapter from a local camera store today, but that store is about an hour away. If I can do it with batteries, that would be preferable.

EDIT: I found a Canon document stating that there is 3-5 hours of timelapse movie recording time from a fully-charged battery. 1 shot/second was closer to 3 hours; 1 shot/10 seconds was closer to 5.

20 shots per minute x 60 minutes per hour x 8 hours = 9,600 total shots per day. Probably too short of an interval...a typical rule of thumb is 3 second interval for fast moving clouds. I would think patio construction happens at a much slower pace.

How long a final time lapse do you want? At 24 fps...9,600 frames is over 6.5 minutes of TL per day.

I would think 15-20 seconds of TL per day would be a pretty good goal, about a minute of final TL...

cutwater wrote in post #18328918
20 shots per minute x 60 minutes per hour x 8 hours = 9,600 total shots per day. Probably too short of an interval...a typical rule of thumb is 3 second interval for fast moving clouds. I would think patio construction happens at a much slower pace.

How long a final time lapse do you want? At 24 fps...9,600 frames is over 6.5 minutes of TL per day.

I would think 15-20 seconds of TL per day would be a pretty good goal, about a minute of final TL...

Thanks for the correction! My mental math was bad. The camera records at FHD, 29.97 fps. 1000 shots/day would be 33 seconds of TL per day, and that's what I thought would be ok. However, that's 2 shots per minute, not 20. My mistake.

My evaluation of the 5D4 as compared to the 7D2. The 7D2 is much easier to shoot with. Even without a TC I am finding the 5D4 takes about a second longer to acquire focus for BIF which can be a world of difference for that that type of shooting. 10 FPS can be missed. However the 5D4 is more consistent in holding focus and the IQ is far better.

This is about a 90% crop from a corner. No way my 7D2 could do this.

digital paradise wrote in post #18334281
My evaluation of the 5D4 as compared to the 7D2. The 7D2 is much easier to shoot with. Even without a TC I am finding the 5D4 takes about a second longer to acquire focus for BIF which can be a world of difference for that that type of shooting. 10 FPS can be missed. However the 5D4 is more consistent in holding focus and the IQ is far better.

This is about a 90% crop from a corner. No way my 7D2 could do this.

What lens are you using? With a couple of exceptions, most of my lenses don't take anywhere close to a second total to focus on my 5D3. Everything I've read about the 5D4 says its AF is miles ahead of the 5D3.

mike_d wrote in post #18334287
What lens are you using? With a couple of exceptions, most of my lenses don't take anywhere close to a second total to focus on my 5D3. Everything I've read about the 5D4 says its AF is miles ahead of the 5D3.

It is. It was the most unexpected difference between the 5D3 and 5D4 for me. The Mk4 feels like it's driving lenses much harder. I wouldn't like to make claims about the speed of an initial lock (though I don't recall having problems) but the tracking on the 5D4 is stunning.

mike_d wrote in post #18334287
What lens are you using? With a couple of exceptions, most of my lenses don't take anywhere close to a second total to focus on my 5D3. Everything I've read about the 5D4 says its AF is miles ahead of the 5D3.

100-400 II. Actually I just realized something. I don't get much BIF action over the winter so I have only been really getting into it seriously for the last few weeks. Mostly stills but I have had my 1.4 III on the the whole time. I took it off at the end of the day when I took that shot. Tomorrow I'm heading out to gull pond and I'm going to shoot with just the 100-400 II for a few hours.

This is not the best image to show but the bird I cropped was in better focus. They took off so quickly by the time I adjusted the one in the corner was sharper.

digital paradise wrote in post #18334327
100-400 II. Actually I just realized something. I don't get much BIF action over the winter so I have only been really getting into it seriously for the last few weeks. Mostly stills but I have had my 1.4 III on the the whole time. I took it off at the end of the day when I took that shot. Tomorrow I'm heading out to gull pond and I'm going to shoot with just the 100-400 II for a few hours.

I've used that combo on my 5d3 and found it decently speedy. It's even faster with the TC than the v1 is without it.

What AF mode, case, and zone size are you using?

mike_d wrote in post #18334347
I've used that combo on my 5d3 and found it decently speedy. It's even faster with the TC than the v1 is without it.

What AF mode, case, and zone size are you using?

For most BIF I use Case 2 which is preset for 4 point expansion. I do use Case 6 with either 61 point (5D4) and 65 (7D2) which I didn't count in my evaluation. I'll head out to my test grounds tomorrow and try both with TC and without. Today I had a full day with my 7D2 sans TC.

digital paradise wrote in post #18334364
For most BIF I use Case 2 which is preset for 4 point expansion. I do use Case 6 with either 61 point (5D4) and 65 (7D2) which I didn't count in my evaluation. I'll head out to my test grounds tomorrow and try both with TC and without. Today I had a full day with my 7D2 sans TC.

In the menus there are a number of settings that control the acceleration behaviour when focusing, and also how the camera will respond to an initial lock vs firing the shutter (most would be familiar to a 5D3 or 7D2 shooter, so you may well already know that). I believe there are also some other settings that can affect the responsiveness for initial AF acquisition, but unfortunately I can't remember where I read that article (or the details).

In any event, 100-400II shooters with the 5D4 do generally seem to report very good performance (even with a TC). I don't have any experience with that lens though.

Agreed on the 5D4 "cropability". In direct comparisons with the 5D3 I've found the files to have more apparent sharpness (even at the pixel level), and combined with the more pleasing noise structure you can get away with some pretty big crops.

I'm familiar with all the cases, parameters and shutter priority settings. Shutter priority still does not kick in until it focuses. I was comparing that initial focus snap long before I press the shutter. We don't have any control over that. There is no fine tuning contrast adjustment. It all depends on the gear, the age of the gear and how good the subjects contrast is.

The 5D4 is very responsive. I just found the 7D2 a tad quicker. I have read reports on other sites that it is a tad slower with the TC. It is tougher in the field because no two contrast area where the AF point falls may be alike. I have done a lot of controlled tests primarily with the case numbers to see how they react. Maybe I'll do the same with the two bodies some day to compare focus acquisition on the same high contrast target.

Man, I have to say my impressions of the 5D4 with a TC are MUCH different. Every previous Canon I have owned with any (Canon) TC/lens combo has been slower than the 5D4, where the built in brake that Canon used to apply appears to have been completely removed.
The 7D2 absolutely does not have the same ability, it just like the rest, it slows down with a TC.

I'd suggest you do a direct side by side at some point, even if it's just in your backyard or something, and see what happens then. It wasn't until I did that did I realize what the 5D4 has to offer.

Everything worked fine except for the Joystick on the body when the grip is attached, the joystick on the body is extra sensitive to touch- if you just graze the joystick it would change focus points and if you would push it in like normal to move focus points it would not respond. So I contacted B&H and I am sending it back. I purchased a Canon grip off fred miranda forum

CyberDyneSystems wrote in post #18334836
Man, I have to say my impressions of the 5D4 with a TC are MUCH different. Every previous Canon I have owned with any (Canon) TC/lens combo has been slower than the 5D4, where the built in brake that Canon used to apply appears to have been completely removed.
The 7D2 absolutely does not have the same ability, it just like the rest, it slows down with a TC.

I'd suggest you do a direct side by side at some point, even if it's just in your backyard or something, and see what happens then. It wasn't until I did that did I realize what the 5D4 has to offer.

I've never shot a FF with a TC or any longer lens before a few months ago. I really have not gotten seriously into it until some birds I can shoot started showing up a few weeks ago so I can't compare. For stills it is snaps in very quickly. I posted that months ago. I'm not the first to mention this. Maybe not here but other sites. I'm not saying it is horrid, just a tad slower which is not a complaint, just an observation. Maybe I'm just adjusting to the smaller AF points and coverage.

I'm not struggling and I'm really impressed with the 5D4's IQ. Crop-ability has exceeded my expectations.