Canon 5D Mark IV -- Time to Discuss!

don1163 wrote in post #18115549
I dont feel that canon has crippled the camera at all...Somewhere along the line they have to stop adding features. It would affect sales of their top range cameras if the mid range cameras had exactly the same features.
Canon seems to have produced a great camera in the 5D line with significant upgrades.
Stop moaning about what the camera doesnt have....If you want a better one buy the 1DXii... (but bear in mind canon decided to cripple the 1DXii by not adding a pop out cocktail bar, a built in hand warmer or a flippy lcd screen)

The 5D4 is what it is.....if you dont like it the simple option is not to buy it...

I'm buying it.

Talley wrote in post #18115554
I'm buying it.

Me too......I think it will be one of the most popular cameras canon has produced..

Talley wrote in post #18115554
I'm buying it.

you sure, man?

you should wait a while to make sure it's going to fit your needs.

I just want to be the first one to list a 5D4 used the first week after release

Talley wrote in post #18115500
Seems to me the longer the lens and closer you are there is only a micro amount of adjustment but if using something of a 50mm lens and F2 and a wider angle of coverage you end up getting much larger amount of adjusment.

Not according to this photographer who did a hands on review of the 5D4. According to him Dual Pixel Raw focus adjustment seems to only work with lenses from 85mm and up and the longer the focal length, the stronger the effect will be, although, again according to the photographer, you can still only ever so slightly shift sharpness, as he calls it. Here's the video. The relevant bit starts at just after the 7:00 minute mark: https://www.youtube.co​m/watch?v=fCHEVovn8YQ

Talley wrote in post #18113499
http://www.imaging-resource.com …w-tech-can-yield-an-addit

So according to this article there is an additional 1 stop of dynamic range in the highlights which in post will preserve the highlights. Just gets better and better.

Love this. All this focus on the darks, as a blue blood can't break the habit dyed in the wool ETTR shooter it's the highlights I worry about


By the way, this idea of dual pixels with smaller ones grabbing less light and thus lower exposure goes WAaaaaay back!

Fuji had a dual photo-site sensor on a DSLR back in '04 or '05 or so, for this very reason. Preserving highlights.

Levina de Ruijter wrote in post #18115574
Not according to this photographer who did a hands on review of the 5D4. According to him Dual Pixel Raw focus adjustment seems to only work with lenses from 85mm and up and the longer the focal length, the stronger the effect will be, although, again according to the photographer, you can still only ever so slightly shift sharpness, as he calls it. Here's the video. The relevant bit starts at just after the 7:00 minute mark: https://www.youtube.co​m/watch?v=fCHEVovn8YQ

the photog in the video you just posted is the one in the video talley was commenting on. The photog disproved his own theory.

seems to me, that since the fall off to OOF varies so greatly with focal length, subject distance, aperture, etc, the utility of this feature will vary just as greatly. The examples from the Swede were awesome and clearly shot wide/normal with a fairly close camera-subject distance

don1163 wrote in post #18115549
I dont feel that canon has crippled the camera at all...Somewhere along the line they have to stop adding features. It would affect sales of their top range cameras if the mid range cameras had exactly the same features.
Canon seems to have produced a great camera in the 5D line with significant upgrades.
Stop moaning about what the camera doesnt have....If you want a better one buy the 1DXii... (but bear in mind canon decided to cripple the 1DXii by not adding a pop out cocktail bar, a built in hand warmer or a flippy lcd screen)

The 5D4 is what it is.....if you dont like it the simple option is not to buy it...

Jeez, nothing wrong with complaining about crippling. Hell, I knew the 6D was crippling the day I bought it. Compare to a competitor like Nikon, look at existing technologies. Even competitors cripple cameras, some more, some less. I think voicing your opinion is a good thing. It doesn't mean you want to divorce canon, but want them to change.

People wanted auto iso in manual, so canon have it to 1Dx users, it can happen if it gets to their ear. Cfast and video features, you're probably screwed.

FEChariot wrote in post #18115502
It is totally awesome but it also still makes me cringe at the choice of memory cards Canon decided to go with. With dual pixel raw turned on, you can get 7 frames before the buffer fills up. That's only 1 second of shooting. So while this is going to be the perfect portrait and wedding camera, Canon could have have this a much better all around camera yet decided to cripple it.

My guess, is that Dual Pixel RAW and the giant file sizes that come with it was a late addition to the 5D4, long after the body, electronics, and buffers were designed.

Am I crazy to assume that dual pixel RAW will be available to the 1Dx2 in a firmware update?

If it was not ready from prime time for the 1Dx2, then it certainly is probable that the 5D4 was long since "cooked" re: hardware before dual pixel RAW was a usable reality.

Levina de Ruijter wrote in post #18115574
Not according to this photographer who did a hands on review of the 5D4. According to him Dual Pixel Raw focus adjustment seems to only work with lenses from 85mm and up and the longer the focal length, the stronger the effect will be, although, again according to the photographer, you can still only ever so slightly shift sharpness, as he calls it. Here's the video. The relevant bit starts at just after the 7:00 minute mark: https://www.youtube.co​m/watch?v=fCHEVovn8YQ

I saw this one as well...He seems to be saying it is a shift in sharpness within the available depth of field rather than an actual shift in focus.

"I just want to be the first one to list a 5D4 used the first week after release"

And I want to be the first one to buy one!
Let me know when you are ready to sell.

whitelands wrote in post #18115616
"I just want to be the first one to list a 5D4 used the first week after release"

And I want to be the first one to buy one!
Let me know when you are ready to sell.

It'll be 5 years from now

don1163 wrote in post #18115549
I dont feel that canon has crippled the camera at all...Somewhere along the line they have to stop adding features. It would affect sales of their top range cameras if the mid range cameras had exactly the same features.
Canon seems to have produced a great camera in the 5D line with significant upgrades.
Stop moaning about what the camera doesnt have....If you want a better one buy the 1DXii... (but bear in mind canon decided to cripple the 1DXii by not adding a pop out cocktail bar, a built in hand warmer or a flippy lcd screen)

The 5D4 is what it is.....if you dont like it the simple option is not to buy it...

I don't see that getting more than 1 sec of continuous shooting with dual pixel raw at 7 FPS would cut into sales of the 14fps 1Dx2 with its much more massive buffer.

And actually the more I think of it, I don't see why you would need to shift focus with dual pixel for wedding and portrait type with this camera. My old 7D basically doesn't miss focus in these type of situations. The 5D4 with its massively better AF system isn't going to miss at all in those situations. Where I see that you would really need the focus shift might just be limited to sports situations where you need a bigger buffer.

I don't sell my stuff. I just use it until I find a reason to upgrade. Can't wait. Should ship this week!

don1163 wrote in post #18115615

Levina de Ruijter wrote in post #18115574
Not according to this photographer who did a hands on review of the 5D4. According to him Dual Pixel Raw focus adjustment seems to only work with lenses from 85mm and up and the longer the focal length, the stronger the effect will be, although, again according to the photographer, you can still only ever so slightly shift sharpness, as he calls it. Here's the video. The relevant bit starts at just after the 7:00 minute mark: https://www.youtube.co​m/watch?v=fCHEVovn8YQ

I saw this one as well...He seems to be saying it is a shift in sharpness within the available depth of field rather than an actual shift in focus.

Yes, that's how I understood it too.

Left Handed Brisket wrote in post #18115609
the photog in the video you just posted is the one in the video talley was commenting on. The photog disproved his own theory.

seems to me, that since the fall off to OOF varies so greatly with focal length, subject distance, aperture, etc, the utility of this feature will vary just as greatly. The examples from the Swede were awesome and clearly shot wide/normal with a fairly close camera-subject distance

Right. I hadn't seen the other video. Will watch that one too.

I do wonder where all this new technology will take photography. Dual Pixel Raw and what it can do is starting to look more like holography than photography. Are we moving into that direction? Or is that a very silly remark?